Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1852434)

Have you raced a 2013? i know every other year we hittin em' but, the gencoupe 60 and quarter times are statistically equal to our manual cars.
as far as rwhp... they were putting down equal whp when they had 310hp(premium). We were overrated by 6 bhp. they were underrated by 10 bhp we just had the weight and faster transmission advantage. (drm &srm) we have the weight advantage but they combated that with 350 standard bhp and a whopping 290lbs tq vs our lowly 270. I think stock for stock, we are on drivers race status with a fukkin hyundai. i called this on the refresh a year ago. N i called nissan would not address it till the new Z and our refresh would be garbage. I hoped for the best and as usual, knew nissan would make us brace for the worst and late bloom our status. I don't care ego wise cuz i know my skills. But for what we pay for a Z? I wouldn't want to be rivaling A HYUNDAI. Now i know how cayman owners feel. :wtf2:

PS. Anybody need some anal eaze to go with that $38.1k for a base+sport 6mt with full accesories +backup cam????

Originally Posted by Twista (Post 1852818)

yea they cant go the way of a 2+2 for the Z car. Just like the other guy said with the maxima commercials they branded that car as the 4 door sports car. They made that into the car that dad could spend his money on and get performance as well. If they do that to the Z then it should be branded as the two door maxima. I honestly dont care what they do with the powertrain of the Z. As long as its faster, lighter, and still a two seater, then Id have no reason to not want to buy it.

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1848709)

It's nearly impossible to build it cheap, safe, lightweight and have the same characteristics of a modern sports car.

I guess my point is, to achieve everything we want in a sports car, we need to use more exotic materials like carbon fiber, which has gotten a lot less expensive to produce. I read somewhere that the new Mclaren MP4-12c cost a 1/4 or a 1/3 to produce than the F1 because of new techniques. Lets hope it trickles down to us mere mortals.

You've probably seen this before. This shocked me the first time I saw it. I thought most of these old cars were tanks compared to new cars, but the thing just disintegrates. I can't imagine how a 240 would stack up.