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08-01-2009, 08:35 AM | #108 (permalink) | |
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its much easier for an average driver to drive a 4wd evo that has a computer telling it what to do every milli second then a rwd 370z. i know if i was on a track right now i would be able to get a better time with an evo then a 370 but thats because im just an average driver and im not able to push a rwd car with the traction control off to its limits. But if a professional racing driver is doing the driving and its a stock 370 vs a stock evo the 370 would get a better time |
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08-01-2009, 09:00 AM | #109 (permalink) |
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All this talk makes me still want an Evo... Would love it as a project car. To bad they are stupid expensive in Canada.
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08-03-2009, 08:26 AM | #111 (permalink) | |
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08-03-2009, 01:30 PM | #112 (permalink) |
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Ryan - most people here have never even been on a track before, and are stuck on the mindset that RWD will always be optimal and AWD is inferior with equal drivers behind the wheel. Let the bench racing begin.
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08-03-2009, 01:38 PM | #113 (permalink) |
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Hey Ryan... i dont know if you have driven an X before but what armensti said could not be closer to the truth... there are "drive assist" computers working always in the case of the X. It modulates power to each wheel based on turn in angle and what not... the car IS helping you drive and gives you a perception of going through a turn a lot smoother and faster (it is this way all the way up to the limit of the car ... and when you pass the limit and the computers start tripping out - you get into accidents)... All he was saying is the following - w/ an AWD you get tricked into a false sense of security - but essentially the car is doing the work that the driver should be doing hence you countersteer less etc etc... w/ a RWD... you gotta do the work...your diff can only help so much.
I can honestly say... driving the evo x made me MUCH crappier at driving any other car- even my G35 when I had both. It was noticeable to the point where my friends would tell me that I used to be better at driving my G before my Evo... Now that I dont have my X anymore - im back to RWD land and they tell me that now they notice the change ... driving isnt so sloppy... |
08-03-2009, 01:42 PM | #114 (permalink) |
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So, if the EVO X has computers to modulate power being put down to the wheels....what would we call SyncroRev Matching?
Some think these things dull the driving experience. Others think there is nothing wrong with it. Its a debate that will continue forever.
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08-03-2009, 02:16 PM | #115 (permalink) | |
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Well said. I know countless drivers, some of them my friends, who don't know how to rev match, heel-toe, etc. Having a Rev Matching feature eliminates the need for this skill altogether. In my opinion if you don't know how to rev match you don't know how to properly drive a manual transmission. I see the rev matching feature more as driving the car for you than having computers that are calculating your pitch. |
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08-03-2009, 04:05 PM | #117 (permalink) |
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How about same driver around the same track? 2 equally good drivers around the same track? You can measure it however you want. 2 comparisons have been mentioned. Stock and modded, but the same mods to both cars.
However... my personal opinion (sorry not trying to pick on you OP as you have already explained your name!) is that if you make a name such as "fill in the blank killer" you need to be prepared to take on any car you are calling out in your current state regardless of what the opposing car has done. So if you are stock and say in this case the Evo is modded you can say it is not fair, but you're the one who made the name so you should be able to back it up. Just my opinion. |
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I would like to be educated on the topic if you don't mind. |
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08-03-2009, 04:22 PM | #119 (permalink) |
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On paper yes, you could do it that way. However I have found that while those tests are directly reflected to a cars handling they do not tell everything. I have always preferred track testing to see how a car performs.
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08-03-2009, 04:37 PM | #120 (permalink) |
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In an average drivers hands - the X / other evos will give you more confidence to push the car harder - with a RWD car... you will have to build that confidence over time and learning... by your logic... a twin clutch is way worse than a SRM system correct? Honestly - I can revmatch all day long and heel toe till the cows come home... but there is a certain awesome feeling you get when the car does it so amazingly well that you feel it would be stupid to try and be as good as the computer can. However - this does not stop me from turning off my SRM for spirited runs where I feel I need to stay sharp for when I want to drive other cars.. but its much less of a "auto-drive" feature than the AWD systems seen in the Evos / STis
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