Read what the BRZ / FR-S Toyobaru said about our car.

owi1kenobi · 07-12-2012, 12:06 PM

dont you dare mess with the ricer on the roard they are all hungry for speed those big wings they have will fly over you like a jet fighter getting ready for attack formation specially the cobalt owners they will eat you alive! I warned you!

Gauge · 07-12-2012, 12:20 PM

To be fair I think the weight difference, after mods is really going to make this thing fun.

Lug · 07-12-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

im serious. and i dont want the first gen and especially not a ford brand. at least mazda's sort of related to ford?

the MS3's been out like 3yrs now and i am sure most of the bugs have been worked out. i need something before snow fall. i dont want to drive my G again in winter while she did very well with the LM60's, i dont trust the other boneheads. i feel like a sitting duck every frikken day during the commute.

i *think* i saw a BRZ this am. not sure. i saw some rice cut across the corner of my eye and it was a small blue thing.

The Speed3 is on the same platform as the older Focus, 2011 Focus updated to new. I'd expect the MS3 in the next year or so. The MS3 will probably just inch out the ST in performance (10 extra HP, 10 ft/lb extra tq, very close curb weight) but the Ford is a much nicer DD, better suspension and probably nicer interier (depends on taste). The big dif is the Ford is rated at 32 MPG hwy, the MS3 at only 25 MPG hwy. To me the big reason to go MS3 is if you are gonna mod out of the gate. There are a lot of gotyas with these turbo'ed engines but the MS3 crowd has worked out the kinks (they've been on this motor/tranny combo for 6 years and they have a very specific order of mods to do it right, you don't "guess" on this platform). I have no plans to mode for at least 2 years so the Ford makes more sense for me. Overall, either are great picks for DD's in my book. The problem with the BRZ/Scion is when some soccer mom with a back full of groceries and a squalling kid blows you off the road in her cheaper Ford or Mazda product.

Coon-azz · 07-12-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89

*que Whitesnake " here i go again" *

" going down the only road ive ever known... like a drifter i was born to walk alone"

lol....cant compare cars from 2 different classes and if youi do.... then its obvious you want the better one more than the one you got, but your trying to reason cept it backfires and you end up kicking yourself in the end anyway

WhiteSnake? OMG....you're showing your age!

Maybe we should get Winger, or Cult 44...oh wait, how about REO to go with that?

just kidding.....

kenchan · 07-12-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The Speed3 is on the same platform as the older Focus, 2011 Focus updated to new. I'd expect the MS3 in the next year or so. The MS3 will probably just inch out the ST in performance (10 extra HP, 10 ft/lb extra tq, very close curb weight) but the Ford is a much nicer DD, better suspension and probably nicer interier (depends on taste). The big dif is the Ford is rated at 32 MPG hwy, the MS3 at only 25 MPG hwy. To me the big reason to go MS3 is if you are gonna mod out of the gate. There are a lot of gotyas with these turbo'ed engines but the MS3 crowd has worked out the kinks (they've been on this motor/tranny combo for 6 years and they have a very specific order of mods to do it right, you don't "guess" on this platform). I have no plans to mode for at least 2 years so the Ford makes more sense for me. Overall, either are great picks for DD's in my book.

thanks for the info lug.

but ive pretty much decided which hatch to get. i will use the ST as leverage to get a better price. lol

Lug · 07-12-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

thanks for the info lug.

but ive pretty much decided which hatch to get. i will use the ST as leverage to get a better price. lol

Join MazdaSpeed Forums and read your *** off before doing any mods. There a cases of zoom-zoom-boom (their cute little saying for blown engines) with just bolt-ons if you don't address a known fuel weakness (you need to upgrage fuel pump internals or you lean out really quick , about $300 I think). the best thing about this site is that they actually map out the upgrade order to do this safely and you can get a TON of power out of these little beasts if you do it right for a whole lot less money than a NA car. The COBB tuner stuff is amazing. There are a few threads on current prices people are getting as well. I've seen non-tech MS3's going for around only 22K recently.

vermithrax · 07-12-2012, 12:59 PM

I'm sure FR-s/BRZs they are fun cars, and I like their looks.

My previous car, before my Z was a 2007 Civic Si. It was fun to drive, high revving, vtec kicking in was cool, and it was pretty nimble, and kinda quick. Different car than a FR-S, but similar power wise, and besides being front wheel drive, probably a better comparison than the 370Z.

The only thing it was missing, was power. 200hp just isn't enough. Downshifting 2 gears to get passing speed sucks. Slamming on the gas and not feeling any pull blows. Unless you were sitting around 5k RPM it drove like a base model civic.

One the other hand, in day to day driving, having an underpowered high revving little car was sometimes more fun than the Z.

I could push the Si, and still be reasonably close to obeying the law, while still having fun. It sounded like I was going fast, and it felt like I was really driving my *** off, but it was still pretty tame.

The Z, you really push it, you are probably going over the speed limit, and probably endangering someone. I have tons of fun driving my Z, but I can never really push it too far in my day to day life.

kenchan · 07-12-2012, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug

Join MazdaSpeed Forums and read your *** off before doing any mods. There a cases of zoom-zoom-boom (their cute little saying for blown engines) with just bolt-ons if you don't address a known fuel weakness (you need to upgrage fuel pump internals or you lean out really quick , about $300 I think). the best thing about this site is that they actually map out the upgrade order to do this safely and you can get a TON of power out of these little beasts if you do it right for a whole lot less money than a NA car. The COBB tuner stuff is amazing. There are a few threads on current prices people are getting as well. I've seen non-tech MS3's going for around only 22K recently.

i will only be doing springs, spacers, and splitter. that's all. no engine mods, maybe an axle-back if one exists.

Lug · 07-12-2012, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

i will only be doing springs, spacers, and splitter. that's all. no engine mods, maybe an axle-back if one exists.

got ya...

2010 MS3 - Suspension & Brakes - Mazdaspeed Forums

speedfreek · 07-12-2012, 01:17 PM

I like how this turned into an MS3 thread

owi1kenobi · 07-12-2012, 01:31 PM

get da pak out of hear thread hijackers!!

kenchan · 07-12-2012, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug

got ya...

2010 MS3 - Suspension & Brakes - Mazdaspeed Forums

for me probably just swifts and alignment.

Lug · 07-12-2012, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owi1kenobi

get da pak out of hear thread hijackers!!

We can help it if better cars find it so easy to pick on the Subayota!

Red__Zed · 07-12-2012, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owi1kenobi

dont you dare mess with the ricer on the roard they are all hungry for speed those big wings they have will fly over you like a jet fighter getting ready for attack formation specially the cobalt owners they will eat you alive! I warned you!

wat?

kenchan · 07-12-2012, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owi1kenobi

get da pak out of hear thread hijackers!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lug

We can help it if better cars find it so easy to pick on the Subayota!

oh is that wat he said? hard to read his post when he's on the ignore list.

anyway, going back to more important news, i think im going to get the camber kit as well with the swifts.

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owi1kenobi Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: usa Posts: 100 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 13	dont you dare mess with the ricer on the roard they are all hungry for speed those big wings they have will fly over you like a jet fighter getting ready for attack formation specially the cobalt owners they will eat you alive! I warned you!

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vermithrax Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 128 Drives: 11 370z/sport silver Rep Power: 13	I'm sure FR-s/BRZs they are fun cars, and I like their looks. My previous car, before my Z was a 2007 Civic Si. It was fun to drive, high revving, vtec kicking in was cool, and it was pretty nimble, and kinda quick. Different car than a FR-S, but similar power wise, and besides being front wheel drive, probably a better comparison than the 370Z. The only thing it was missing, was power. 200hp just isn't enough. Downshifting 2 gears to get passing speed sucks. Slamming on the gas and not feeling any pull blows. Unless you were sitting around 5k RPM it drove like a base model civic. One the other hand, in day to day driving, having an underpowered high revving little car was sometimes more fun than the Z. I could push the Si, and still be reasonably close to obeying the law, while still having fun. It sounded like I was going fast, and it felt like I was really driving my *** off, but it was still pretty tame. The Z, you really push it, you are probably going over the speed limit, and probably endangering someone. I have tons of fun driving my Z, but I can never really push it too far in my day to day life.

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speedfreek A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Huntsville,AL Posts: 1,724 Drives: '12 370Z PW 6sp Rep Power: 18	I like how this turned into an MS3 thread

07-12-2012, 01:31 PM	#86 (permalink)
owi1kenobi Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: usa Posts: 100 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 13	get da pak out of hear thread hijackers!!