Read what the BRZ / FR-S Toyobaru said about our car.

Red__Zed · 07-12-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by owi1kenobi

dont you dare mess with the ricer on the roard they are all hungry for speed those big wings they have will fly over you like a jet fighter getting ready for attack formation specially the cobalt owners they will eat you alive! I warned you!

wat?

dmhenderson · 07-12-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by owi1kenobi

dont you dare mess with the ricer on the roard they are all hungry for speed those big wings they have will fly over you like a jet fighter getting ready for attack formation specially the cobalt owners they will eat you alive! I warned you!

I had a kid in a cobalt SS roll down his window and let loose a random string of obscenities at me (???) followed by revving his engine at me. Small penis syndrome I guess.

Lug · 07-12-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

im serious. and i dont want the first gen and especially not a ford brand. at least mazda's sort of related to ford?

the MS3's been out like 3yrs now and i am sure most of the bugs have been worked out. i need something before snow fall. i dont want to drive my G again in winter while she did very well with the LM60's, i dont trust the other boneheads. i feel like a sitting duck every frikken day during the commute.

i *think* i saw a BRZ this am. not sure. i saw some rice cut across the corner of my eye and it was a small blue thing.

The Speed3 is on the same platform as the older Focus, 2011 Focus updated to new. I'd expect the MS3 in the next year or so. The MS3 will probably just inch out the ST in performance (10 extra HP, 10 ft/lb extra tq, very close curb weight) but the Ford is a much nicer DD, better suspension and probably nicer interier (depends on taste). The big dif is the Ford is rated at 32 MPG hwy, the MS3 at only 25 MPG hwy. To me the big reason to go MS3 is if you are gonna mod out of the gate. There are a lot of gotyas with these turbo'ed engines but the MS3 crowd has worked out the kinks (they've been on this motor/tranny combo for 6 years and they have a very specific order of mods to do it right, you don't "guess" on this platform). I have no plans to mode for at least 2 years so the Ford makes more sense for me. Overall, either are great picks for DD's in my book. The problem with the BRZ/Scion is when some soccer mom with a back full of groceries and a squalling kid blows you off the road in her cheaper Ford or Mazda product.

kenchan · 07-12-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The Speed3 is on the same platform as the older Focus, 2011 Focus updated to new. I'd expect the MS3 in the next year or so. The MS3 will probably just inch out the ST in performance (10 extra HP, 10 ft/lb extra tq, very close curb weight) but the Ford is a much nicer DD, better suspension and probably nicer interier (depends on taste). The big dif is the Ford is rated at 32 MPG hwy, the MS3 at only 25 MPG hwy. To me the big reason to go MS3 is if you are gonna mod out of the gate. There are a lot of gotyas with these turbo'ed engines but the MS3 crowd has worked out the kinks (they've been on this motor/tranny combo for 6 years and they have a very specific order of mods to do it right, you don't "guess" on this platform). I have no plans to mode for at least 2 years so the Ford makes more sense for me. Overall, either are great picks for DD's in my book.

thanks for the info lug.

but ive pretty much decided which hatch to get. i will use the ST as leverage to get a better price. lol

de_dust · 07-10-2012, 07:35 PM

I don't quite understand the statement that the brz/frs is a better handling/cornering car than the 370z just because it is lighter. From my understanding, one of the main measures of this would be power to weight ratio. The last time i checked, the Z's lb/hp ratio is 9.73 compared to brz/frs's 13.7. In that regard, isn't th brz/frz heavier than the Z? Am i missing something?

FairladyZ · 07-11-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by de_dust

I don't quite understand the statement that the brz/frs is a better handling/cornering car than the 370z just because it is lighter. From my understanding, one of the main measures of this would be power to weight ratio. The last time i checked, the Z's lb/hp ratio is 9.73 compared to brz/frs's 13.7. In that regard, isn't th brz/frz heavier than the Z? Am i missing something?

Just by going off of this, you obviously never drove a miata, or Mini cooper S

Even though those cars don't have high HP, they deliver a different feel, and a sporty one at that.

They feel quick and nimble and i am willing to bet the BRZ feels the same way.

Those cars don't need HP for fun, they offer a unique experience imo.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-11-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ

Just by going off of this, you obviously never drove a miata, or Mini cooper S

Even though those cars don't have high HP, they deliver a different feel, and a sporty one at that.

They feel quick and nimble and i am willing to bet the BRZ feels the same way.

Those cars don't need HP for fun, they offer a unique experience imo.

You're right... but in that respect you are completely omitting that the Z also gives a unique driving experience. Even moreso than the BRZ/FRS... why I say that? Well let's see how many cars can offer that experience? FRS, BRZ, Miata,mini cooper, and used cars like the S2k, Rx8 and MR2.
In the Z's class, there's only the Z or a new or used cayman. That's it. Riding on rails and nimble handling is enormous fun. But having a 10% reduction in handling on the Z and a 50% power advantage makes for a more interesting car all around. The Z is more versatile in its useage in the sports arena. Though it may a jack of all and master of none. The Z's cards come close enough that a great driver can always maneuver around the Z's handicaps.

FairladyZ · 07-11-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You're right... but in that respect you are completely omitting that the Z also gives a unique driving experience. Even moreso than the BRZ/FRS... why I say that? Well let's see how many cars can offer that experience? FRS, BRZ, Miata,mini cooper, and used cars like the S2k, Rx8 and MR2.
In the Z's class, there's only the Z or a new or used cayman. That's it. Riding on rails and nimble handling is enormous fun. But having a 10% reduction in handling on the Z and a 50% power advantage makes for a more interesting car all around. The Z is more versatile in its useage in the sports arena. Though it may a jack of all and master of none. The Z's cards come close enough that a great driver can always maneuver around the Z's handicaps.

Don't get me wrong lol, i love my Z to death haha. Just sayin.......

sparky · 07-10-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by owi1kenobi

Some are good and very unbiased and some seems to be just plain jealousy.

FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB

Well I read the first page and I agree with you. I can't believe it goes on for 42 pages though!

buddyZ · 07-10-2012, 08:53 PM

i think this is nice car for the value if it was actually priced at 25-26K. The dealer mark up is BS, people paying 30k for a Brz is not cool. when you start getting close to the 30,000 range that car better at least be faster than a V6 camry...

TheGreatOne · 07-10-2012, 09:21 PM

I've been pretty silent on most of the BRZ/FR-S discussions as I only knew so much about the car. On a local site, there was SO MUCH discussion on it for about a year as many of the members are driving budget cars like Civic's, Jetta's and the excitement level is high.

It will definitely become a popular car because of the price point, styling and fun factor.

I finally got to see a BRZ and FRS up close at a couple meets....while again, great job by Subaru/Scion...that car would only be an option if my budget was sub 30K however, actually no, I'd go with a Subaru Imprezza instead.

I did not like the look or feel (build quality) I think thats mainly due coming from a Z. At the end of the day on the street...I rarely see a 370Z and I wouldn't blink twice pulling up next to one on the street.

I think most of us also saw the Time Attack video where the Z beats the BRZ while appearing to not drive balls out

EazyD · 07-10-2012, 09:41 PM

Well, I went up against one in the novice class autocross on Sunday. Both are C Stock class in the novice section: Final Results, #6 - Cone-A-Thon - Sun 07-08-2012

TheGreatOne · 07-10-2012, 10:02 PM

In the process of washing some dishes and being yelled at by my wife, I had a epiphany

Someone post this on that other website if what I'm about to say makes as much sense as I THINK it does

So. The BRZ/FRS is what the "Z" was some 30+ years ago

Allow me to explain. Think about it, there was a ton of hype around an affordable, good handling sporty car coming from Asia from Datsun. Same thing is happening here with the BRZ/FRS

At this present place in time, I do feel the Z and BRZ/FRS are not comparable (most agree)

The Z has a Heritage, a large cult like following, the Fanboyism is deserved. Long time events like Z days, Z Nationals attended be people across all demographics, ages etc. Multiple documentaries, a long history in auto racing. It has reached Icon status

If Subaru/Scion stick with this platform, it could very well follow the same path the Z has and get to where the Z is now...having reached 40+ years etc.

So I had to check myself, step back and stop the hate a second. This car is starting off nicely its not in Z territory at the moment, but I think it could really go the same route eventually, time will tell. So at the moment I take it for what it is...something fresh in the market but I can go to sleep at night not worrying about it...for now.

Ackrite · 07-10-2012, 10:18 PM

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FairladyZ · 07-11-2012, 12:07 AM

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07-10-2012, 09:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
TheGreatOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Age: 47 Posts: 1,980 Drives: E60 BMW M5 Rep Power: 22	I've been pretty silent on most of the BRZ/FR-S discussions as I only knew so much about the car. On a local site, there was SO MUCH discussion on it for about a year as many of the members are driving budget cars like Civic's, Jetta's and the excitement level is high. It will definitely become a popular car because of the price point, styling and fun factor. I finally got to see a BRZ and FRS up close at a couple meets....while again, great job by Subaru/Scion...that car would only be an option if my budget was sub 30K however, actually no, I'd go with a Subaru Imprezza instead. I did not like the look or feel (build quality) I think thats mainly due coming from a Z. At the end of the day on the street...I rarely see a 370Z and I wouldn't blink twice pulling up next to one on the street. I think most of us also saw the Time Attack video where the Z beats the BRZ while appearing to not drive balls out __________________ 2017 SUBARU STI 2008 E60 M5 - SOLD 2010 40th Anniversary 370Z - SOLD (and missing her)

07-10-2012, 09:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
EazyD A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 1,211 Drives: 2010 6MT Sport pkg. Rep Power: 26	Well, I went up against one in the novice class autocross on Sunday. Both are C Stock class in the novice section: Final Results, #6 - Cone-A-Thon - Sun 07-08-2012 __________________ Pearl White 2010 370Z Sport, Stillen CBE, tint, K&N drop-in filters, GT-R start button, Kenwood DNX-6980 with backup cam, LED bulbs, Raceseng shift knob.

07-10-2012, 10:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
TheGreatOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Age: 47 Posts: 1,980 Drives: E60 BMW M5 Rep Power: 22	In the process of washing some dishes and being yelled at by my wife, I had a epiphany Someone post this on that other website if what I'm about to say makes as much sense as I THINK it does So. The BRZ/FRS is what the "Z" was some 30+ years ago Allow me to explain. Think about it, there was a ton of hype around an affordable, good handling sporty car coming from Asia from Datsun. Same thing is happening here with the BRZ/FRS At this present place in time, I do feel the Z and BRZ/FRS are not comparable (most agree) The Z has a Heritage, a large cult like following, the Fanboyism is deserved. Long time events like Z days, Z Nationals attended be people across all demographics, ages etc. Multiple documentaries, a long history in auto racing. It has reached Icon status If Subaru/Scion stick with this platform, it could very well follow the same path the Z has and get to where the Z is now...having reached 40+ years etc. So I had to check myself, step back and stop the hate a second. This car is starting off nicely its not in Z territory at the moment, but I think it could really go the same route eventually, time will tell. So at the moment I take it for what it is...something fresh in the market but I can go to sleep at night not worrying about it...for now. __________________ 2017 SUBARU STI 2008 E60 M5 - SOLD 2010 40th Anniversary 370Z - SOLD (and missing her)

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de_dust Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: baltimore Posts: 92 Drives: 370z black on black Rep Power: 276	I don't quite understand the statement that the brz/frs is a better handling/cornering car than the 370z just because it is lighter. From my understanding, one of the main measures of this would be power to weight ratio. The last time i checked, the Z's lb/hp ratio is 9.73 compared to brz/frs's 13.7. In that regard, isn't th brz/frz heavier than the Z? Am i missing something?

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buddyZ Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: socal Posts: 118 Drives: 2012 Base6mt Rep Power: 0	i think this is nice car for the value if it was actually priced at 25-26K. The dealer mark up is BS, people paying 30k for a Brz is not cool. when you start getting close to the 30,000 range that car better at least be faster than a V6 camry...

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