Fr-s/ Brz. > 370z?

Red__Zed · 07-02-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I don't know if that's exactly the case. It's kind of moot to start comparing modded vs stock. I think the Z is a great platform if you plan on going F.I. as a few members have show. You would run into the same old issues with the FR-S/BRZ going with F.I. Also, at the moment, no one really knows how much power the 4U-GSE / FA20 boxer engine can handle without significant upgrade to the block. I think Greddy has a kit that's suppose to get close to 340hp/325 ft.lb....not bad...but nothing close to what you'd get with a TT'ed 370z. Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while. FR-S/BRZ buyers may not stay stock for long, but I think most will only do the same old intake/exhaust mods. I doubt a lot will jump on voiding the warranty off the bat with a forced induction.

Fair points for the most part, though I'm not sure I'd call the z a great platform for FI, considering we still haven't seen anyone able to harness the power.

It's possible (fairly likely) the brz will have some issues itself, but I expect you won't have anywhere near the same challenges as the z (especially dissipating extra heat on a road course)

shadoquad · 07-02-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while.

I'm not sure I agree. Scion has always made car mods a part of their advertising, and Scooby's get modded all the time. I think it's just a matter of time before their aftermarket explodes. Especially since their target demographic is younger males. 25k entry price, rwd platform... I don't know, I imagine big things on the aftermarket.

I could be wrong, tho

Cmike2780 · 07-02-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I'm not sure I agree. Scion has always made car mods a part of their advertising, and Scooby's get modded all the time. I think it's just a matter of time before their aftermarket explodes. Especially since their target demographic is younger males. 25k entry price, rwd platform... I don't know, I imagine big things on the aftermarket.

I could be wrong, tho

It's going to be a while. They said the same thing about the Genesis coupe & 370z. I think they've squeezed all they can from this engine without going F.I. and I doubt you'll see much from a CAI and CBE. There's only so much bolt-on engine mods you can do.

shadoquad · 07-02-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ShinyBlueZ

Went with my friend to Subaru cuz we were both interested in the brz, and I would 100% say the brz is direct competition with the fr-s, seeing how the salesman spent the entire time badmouthing the fr-s lol Talking about how it handles like crap and it doesn't feel right the entire time it's driven haha

Same god damn car

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Originally Posted by ShinyBlueZ

The sales guys were classic though. It seems the Subarus around here are trying to create the illusion the brz is super exclusive and rare, so we were told right away they only had 3 brzs on the lot but they were all sold already, so we could look at them from outside, but not inside. Also, if we ordered one that day, we probably wouldn't even get it until JANUARY.. it's that sought after. The best part was when I asked when they'd have one for test drive the guy goes "TEST DRIVE?!? HAH! THERE ARE NO TEST DRIVES! We can't even keep 1 unsold, let alone have one for demo!" I was like "umm so everyone that buys the brz just walks in and pays for it without driving it first?" and he goes, "yeah.. because people that really KNOW cars.. people that buy the brz.. they know. They just know. No one needs a test drive. If you really want a test drive, you can get one at Scion.. they'll have tonnes of fr-s around for test drive. Just know the experience will be inferior to the brz." at which point another salesman leans over and says, "It's true.. people don't request test drives for the brz since everywhere you look the car is just being raved over and it's known fact at this point the ride is just perfect."

How does he say the car is better and then tell you to test drive the other one for impressions in the same breath? Epic fail of a salesman.

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

It's going to be a while. They said the same thing about the Genesis coupe & 370z. I think they've squeezed all they can from this engine without going F.I. and I doubt you'll see much from a CAI and CBE. There's only so much bolt-on engine mods you can do.

The engine bay for the FT86 is huge. You can fit a lot under there. Time will tell.

m4a1mustang · 07-02-2012, 09:41 AM

epic

speedfreek · 07-02-2012, 09:51 AM

The FRS/BRZ is a Veyron killer..

LMBmikeZ · 07-02-2012, 09:50 AM

yet another one

Evofusion · 07-02-2012, 09:54 AM

The car definitely looks great, but with 160whp, going down from our stock 250-270whp would definitely be noticeable.

Either way the car is too small for my tastes, why add rear seats when you can't even use them?

Great looking car though, i'll give it that.

shadoquad · 07-02-2012, 09:55 AM

Been discussed already a few times in the "Other Vehicles" section, which is where this thread should go.

onzedge · 07-02-2012, 10:42 AM

BRZ and FR-S -- although interesting, they are not sports cars and are in a diiferent class altogether from a Z. Any car with a back seat is no longer a real sports car -- IMO. Sporty coupe is a more appropriate name for them.

What is going to be interesting will be to watch the community of FWD folks migrate to the BRZ/FR-S and see how many of them find out the sometimes unforgiving nature of RWD.

m4a1mustang · 07-02-2012, 10:47 AM

I think they are sports cars. They just aren't powerful ones.

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I think they are sports cars. They just aren't powerful ones.

it's like a family celica, but drives backwards to obtain RWD status.

owi1kenobi · 07-02-2012, 10:49 AM

Lol trading my Z for a BRZ no way, our car is in a different class its just like trading your mini cooper s to a smart car lol.

When i'm driving my Z i feel like a successful businessman but driving a BRZ would make me a feel that i just got promoted as a supervisor at walmart.

daisuke149 · 07-02-2012, 11:10 AM

shiiiit i'd rather get a gen coupe 2.0 r-spec than a frs/brz.

anthonyy · 07-02-2012, 11:14 AM

Let me just say, I saw a BRZ on the road for the first time today and it looks sick.

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owi1kenobi Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: usa Posts: 100 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 13	Lol trading my Z for a BRZ no way, our car is in a different class its just like trading your mini cooper s to a smart car lol. When i'm driving my Z i feel like a successful businessman but driving a BRZ would make me a feel that i just got promoted as a supervisor at walmart. Last edited by owi1kenobi; 07-02-2012 at 10:53 AM.

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Evofusion Base Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 52 Drives: '11 BS Touring Sport Rep Power: 13	The car definitely looks great, but with 160whp, going down from our stock 250-270whp would definitely be noticeable. Either way the car is too small for my tastes, why add rear seats when you can't even use them? Great looking car though, i'll give it that.

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anthonyy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 1,027 Drives: Lexus CT Rep Power: 16	Let me just say, I saw a BRZ on the road for the first time today and it looks sick.