Fr-s/ Brz. > 370z?

Red__Zed · 07-02-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I don't know if that's exactly the case. It's kind of moot to start comparing modded vs stock. I think the Z is a great platform if you plan on going F.I. as a few members have show. You would run into the same old issues with the FR-S/BRZ going with F.I. Also, at the moment, no one really knows how much power the 4U-GSE / FA20 boxer engine can handle without significant upgrade to the block. I think Greddy has a kit that's suppose to get close to 340hp/325 ft.lb....not bad...but nothing close to what you'd get with a TT'ed 370z. Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while. FR-S/BRZ buyers may not stay stock for long, but I think most will only do the same old intake/exhaust mods. I doubt a lot will jump on voiding the warranty off the bat with a forced induction.

Fair points for the most part, though I'm not sure I'd call the z a great platform for FI, considering we still haven't seen anyone able to harness the power.

It's possible (fairly likely) the brz will have some issues itself, but I expect you won't have anywhere near the same challenges as the z (especially dissipating extra heat on a road course)

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I think they are sports cars. They just aren't powerful ones.

it's like a family celica, but drives backwards to obtain RWD status.

shadoquad · 07-02-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while.

I'm not sure I agree. Scion has always made car mods a part of their advertising, and Scooby's get modded all the time. I think it's just a matter of time before their aftermarket explodes. Especially since their target demographic is younger males. 25k entry price, rwd platform... I don't know, I imagine big things on the aftermarket.

I could be wrong, tho

daisuke149 · 07-02-2012, 12:10 PM

shiiiit i'd rather get a gen coupe 2.0 r-spec than a frs/brz.

anthonyy · 07-02-2012, 12:14 PM

Let me just say, I saw a BRZ on the road for the first time today and it looks sick.

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonyy

Let me just say, I saw a BRZ on the road for the first time today and it looks sick.

sick as in

?
or sick as in

?

LakeShow · 07-02-2012, 12:17 PM

Saw a BRZ myself and it looks quite nice if your on a budget.

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeShow

Saw a BRZ myself and it looks quite nice if your on a budget.

ive not seen one yet on the street. i think this is a car that probably looks better in person than in the picts.

....well i hope...

brucelidat · 07-02-2012, 12:22 PM

The BRZ doesn't impress me looks-wise. I definitely think our Z looks better. It is a light tossable car, though. With a turbo thrown in, it'll be formidable on the track compared to our NA Zs. With boosting, though, you're probably getting into the Z's price range which I guess kind of makes it okay to compare stock vs modded. I definitely think the Z is much nicer, though. Plus, in a few months or by next year, we're probably going to see them everywhere.

ShinyBlueZ · 07-02-2012, 12:22 PM

Went with my friend to Subaru cuz we were both interested in the brz, and I would 100% say the brz is direct competition with the fr-s, seeing how the salesman spent the entire time badmouthing the fr-s lol Talking about how it handles like crap and it doesn't feel right the entire time it's driven haha

It was a lot smaller than I thought in person compared to pics. The Z is fine for me but I'm certain my head would hit the brz roof and I'd be quite uncomfortable in it. The rear seats are a joke, obviously. Also, some of the exterior styling is quite ugly and really cheapens the look of the car (like the sharp angled front signal lights, fender vents, or the yellow turn signal right above the front wheel well). Feels like they copied from one too many other cars and mashed them all up (the rx-8, bmws, our Zs).

However.. for the price, especially if I was still in high school and my tastes were a bit less refined.. I would probably be in love with the brz. Anyway, my friend ended up leaving Subaru with the intention of buying an sti instead

The sales guys were classic though. It seems the Subarus around here are trying to create the illusion the brz is super exclusive and rare, so we were told right away they only had 3 brzs on the lot but they were all sold already, so we could look at them from outside, but not inside. Also, if we ordered one that day, we probably wouldn't even get it until JANUARY.. it's that sought after. The best part was when I asked when they'd have one for test drive the guy goes "TEST DRIVE?!? HAH! THERE ARE NO TEST DRIVES! We can't even keep 1 unsold, let alone have one for demo!" I was like "umm so everyone that buys the brz just walks in and pays for it without driving it first?" and he goes, "yeah.. because people that really KNOW cars.. people that buy the brz.. they know. They just know. No one needs a test drive. If you really want a test drive, you can get one at Scion.. they'll have tonnes of fr-s around for test drive. Just know the experience will be inferior to the brz." at which point another salesman leans over and says, "It's true.. people don't request test drives for the brz since everywhere you look the car is just being raved over and it's known fact at this point the ride is just perfect."

Cmike2780 · 07-02-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I'm not sure I agree. Scion has always made car mods a part of their advertising, and Scooby's get modded all the time. I think it's just a matter of time before their aftermarket explodes. Especially since their target demographic is younger males. 25k entry price, rwd platform... I don't know, I imagine big things on the aftermarket.

I could be wrong, tho

It's going to be a while. They said the same thing about the Genesis coupe & 370z. I think they've squeezed all they can from this engine without going F.I. and I doubt you'll see much from a CAI and CBE. There's only so much bolt-on engine mods you can do.

b1adesofcha0s · 07-02-2012, 12:23 PM

Saw one on the street this past weekend while I was in NY. It does look pretty nice, but I'll also agree that it is not on the same level as the Z. Also FR-S competing with the BRZ

brucelidat · 07-02-2012, 12:25 PM

We all know car salesmen are idiots who don't know anything about cars themselves.

This was referring to shineybluez's post

b1adesofcha0s · 07-02-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ShinyBlueZ

Went with my friend to Subaru cuz we were both interested in the brz, and I would 100% say the brz is direct competition with the fr-s, seeing how the salesman spent the entire time badmouthing the fr-s lol Talking about how it handles like crap and it doesn't feel right the entire time it's driven haha

It was a lot smaller than I thought in person compared to pics. The Z is fine for me but I'm certain my head would hit the brz roof and I'd be quite uncomfortable in it. The rear seats are a joke, obviously. Also, some of the exterior styling is quite ugly and really cheapens the look of the car (like the sharp angled front signal lights, fender vents, or the yellow turn signal right above the front wheel well). Feels like they copied from one too many other cars and mashed them all up (the rx-8, bmws, our Zs).

However.. for the price, especially if I was still in high school and my tastes were a bit less refined.. I would probably be in love with the brz. Anyway, my friend ended up leaving Subaru with the intention of buying an sti instead

The sales guys were classic though. It seems the Subarus around here are trying to create the illusion the brz is super exclusive and rare, so we were told right away they only had 3 brzs on the lot but they were all sold already, so we could look at them from outside, but not inside. Also, if we ordered one that day, we probably wouldn't even get it until JANUARY.. it's that sought after. The best part was when I asked when they'd have one for test drive the guy goes "TEST DRIVE?!? HAH! THERE ARE NO TEST DRIVES! We can't even keep 1 unsold, let alone have one for demo!" I was like "umm so everyone that buys the brz just walks in and pays for it without driving it first?" and he goes, "yeah.. because people that really KNOW cars.. people that buy the brz.. they know. They just know. No one needs a test drive. If you really want a test drive, you can get one at Scion.. they'll have tonnes of fr-s around for test drive. Just know the experience will be inferior to the brz." at which point another salesman leans over and says, "It's true.. people don't request test drives for the brz since everywhere you look the car is just being raved over and it's known fact at this point the ride is just perfect."

brucelidat · 07-02-2012, 12:27 PM

this thread is going to explode today

07-02-2012, 12:17 PM	#37 (permalink)
LakeShow A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: L.I., NY Posts: 5,307 Drives: Everything Rep Power: 25	Saw a BRZ myself and it looks quite nice if your on a budget. __________________ \|2013 Audi S4\|Ibis White/Black\|S-Tronic P+\| \|2013 370z\|PearlWhite/Persimmon\|Touring/Sport/Nav\|F.I. CBE 18" CF\| \|Sold\|2011 370z\|Gun Metallic\|Touring/Sport/Nav\|

07-02-2012, 12:22 PM	#39 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	The BRZ doesn't impress me looks-wise. I definitely think our Z looks better. It is a light tossable car, though. With a turbo thrown in, it'll be formidable on the track compared to our NA Zs. With boosting, though, you're probably getting into the Z's price range which I guess kind of makes it okay to compare stock vs modded. I definitely think the Z is much nicer, though. Plus, in a few months or by next year, we're probably going to see them everywhere. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-02-2012, 12:22 PM	#40 (permalink)
ShinyBlueZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In My Z Posts: 462 Drives: Shiniest Bluest Z Rep Power: 13	Went with my friend to Subaru cuz we were both interested in the brz, and I would 100% say the brz is direct competition with the fr-s, seeing how the salesman spent the entire time badmouthing the fr-s lol Talking about how it handles like crap and it doesn't feel right the entire time it's driven haha It was a lot smaller than I thought in person compared to pics. The Z is fine for me but I'm certain my head would hit the brz roof and I'd be quite uncomfortable in it. The rear seats are a joke, obviously. Also, some of the exterior styling is quite ugly and really cheapens the look of the car (like the sharp angled front signal lights, fender vents, or the yellow turn signal right above the front wheel well). Feels like they copied from one too many other cars and mashed them all up (the rx-8, bmws, our Zs). However.. for the price, especially if I was still in high school and my tastes were a bit less refined.. I would probably be in love with the brz. Anyway, my friend ended up leaving Subaru with the intention of buying an sti instead The sales guys were classic though. It seems the Subarus around here are trying to create the illusion the brz is super exclusive and rare, so we were told right away they only had 3 brzs on the lot but they were all sold already, so we could look at them from outside, but not inside. Also, if we ordered one that day, we probably wouldn't even get it until JANUARY.. it's that sought after. The best part was when I asked when they'd have one for test drive the guy goes "TEST DRIVE?!? HAH! THERE ARE NO TEST DRIVES! We can't even keep 1 unsold, let alone have one for demo!" I was like "umm so everyone that buys the brz just walks in and pays for it without driving it first?" and he goes, "yeah.. because people that really KNOW cars.. people that buy the brz.. they know. They just know. No one needs a test drive. If you really want a test drive, you can get one at Scion.. they'll have tonnes of fr-s around for test drive. Just know the experience will be inferior to the brz." at which point another salesman leans over and says, "It's true.. people don't request test drives for the brz since everywhere you look the car is just being raved over and it's known fact at this point the ride is just perfect." Last edited by ShinyBlueZ; 07-02-2012 at 12:24 PM.

07-02-2012, 12:23 PM	#42 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Saw one on the street this past weekend while I was in NY. It does look pretty nice, but I'll also agree that it is not on the same level as the Z. Also FR-S competing with the BRZ __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

07-02-2012, 12:25 PM	#43 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	We all know car salesmen are idiots who don't know anything about cars themselves. This was referring to shineybluez's post __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-02-2012, 12:10 PM	#34 (permalink)
daisuke149 My *** is famous! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 4,849 Drives: 2013 Boss 302 PW Rep Power: 31	shiiiit i'd rather get a gen coupe 2.0 r-spec than a frs/brz.

07-02-2012, 12:14 PM	#35 (permalink)
anthonyy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 1,027 Drives: Lexus CT Rep Power: 16	Let me just say, I saw a BRZ on the road for the first time today and it looks sick.

07-02-2012, 12:27 PM	#45 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	this thread is going to explode today __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq