Fr-s/ Brz. > 370z?

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonyy

Let me just say, I saw a BRZ on the road for the first time today and it looks sick.

sick as in

?
or sick as in

?

LakeShow · 07-02-2012, 11:17 AM

Saw a BRZ myself and it looks quite nice if your on a budget.

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeShow

Saw a BRZ myself and it looks quite nice if your on a budget.

ive not seen one yet on the street. i think this is a car that probably looks better in person than in the picts.

....well i hope...

brucelidat · 07-02-2012, 11:22 AM

The BRZ doesn't impress me looks-wise. I definitely think our Z looks better. It is a light tossable car, though. With a turbo thrown in, it'll be formidable on the track compared to our NA Zs. With boosting, though, you're probably getting into the Z's price range which I guess kind of makes it okay to compare stock vs modded. I definitely think the Z is much nicer, though. Plus, in a few months or by next year, we're probably going to see them everywhere.

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

The BRZ doesn't impress me looks-wise. I definitely think our Z looks better. It is a light tossable car, though. With a turbo thrown in, it'll be formidable on the track compared to our NA Zs. With boosting, though, you're probably getting into the Z's price range which I guess kind of makes it okay to compare stock vs modded. I definitely think the Z is much nicer, though. Plus, in a few months or by next year, we're probably going to see them everywhere.

bruce- honestly one should not be even comparing the BRZ to the 370Z. it's literally a poorman's Z with rear seats. as you stated, it completely defeats the purpose if one adds turbo kits and stuff to get the powerband into Z territory. by that time with similarly invested mods ($ wise), the Z would be in muscle car territory.

i think the BRZ/FRS should be compared to non-aspirated

subcompact wannabie cars.

b1adesofcha0s · 07-02-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

bruce- honestly one should not be even comparing the BRZ to the 370Z. it's literally a poorman's Z with rear seats. as you stated, it completely defeats the purpose if one adds turbo kits and stuff to get the powerband into Z territory. by that time with similarly invested mods ($ wise), the Z would be in muscle car territory.

i think the BRZ/FRS should be compared to non-aspirated

subcompact wannabie cars.

Too bad some BRZ's are selling for as much as a base Z.

Non-aspirated

kenchan · 07-02-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Too bad some BRZ's are selling for as much as a base Z.

Non-aspirated

dang, i thought them were like $25K.

no sense of cost savings here.

just get the 370Z then and do it right from the beginning.

shadoquad · 07-02-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

dang, i thought them were like $25K.

no sense of cost savings here.

just get the 370Z then and do it right from the beginning.

Um, base BRZ is still cheaper. It's around 26 or 27k. The Limited is 28-30. base, no-frills Z is 31-32k.

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b1adesofcha0s · 07-02-2012, 11:23 AM

Saw one on the street this past weekend while I was in NY. It does look pretty nice, but I'll also agree that it is not on the same level as the Z. Also FR-S competing with the BRZ

brucelidat · 07-02-2012, 11:25 AM

We all know car salesmen are idiots who don't know anything about cars themselves.

This was referring to shineybluez's post

brucelidat · 07-02-2012, 11:27 AM

this thread is going to explode today

Cmike2780 · 07-02-2012, 12:05 PM

I like the frs/brz for what it is, but it isn't exactly 'cheap' and would much rather have an MX-5. The Z is just too different an audience to even compare the two. To get close to the performance numbers of a stock Z, you'd probably end up spending a ton more on the frs/brz.

NYBladeZ · 07-02-2012, 12:19 PM

I think the pros for the FR-S/BRZ outweigh the cons and when compared from a tuner's aspect the FR-S is the way to go. Need I remind the long time Z guys that we had to wait a very very very very long time for the Z after market to grow. Even now the aftermarket for the z34 is no where near as big as it was for the z33 and other previous Z cars and its been 3.5 years. Greddy already has a reputable TT kit out and the car hasn't been on US soil for a 6 months. The FR-S has is a tuner's wet dream, cheap starting platform (after the dealers stop pushing ridiculous ADM's) and massive competition amongst aftermarket vendors. The FR-S aftermarket is going to dwarf the Z very quickly, social media is already full of pics and concepts that major aftermarket companies are making.

Performance wise, sure the Z will dominate for now but think about how expensive it is to really build the Z34, you're looking at close to 3/4 the cost of the car for a well built and tuned TT kit, an S/C kit will run you at least 10g's. Moreover, while dyno #'s are nice making 500whp+ is useless on a road course, to date I don't think I've seen any TT member even attempt to run it all out at a road course. So you have potentially extreme HP #'s that are good for the drag strip which is not the Z's forte but create a largely uncontrollable monster at the track.

I think the biggest issue with the FR-S is that it comes off as too young but I could probably get around that knowing that the aftermarket for the FR-S is huge. Moreover, call it a gut feeling but given the proper driver a FR-S properly tuned and turboed is going to embarrass a lot of Z guys at the track.

Cmike2780 · 07-02-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I think the pros for the FR-S/BRZ outweigh the cons and when compared from a tuner's aspect the FR-S is the way to go. Need I remind the long time Z guys that we had to wait a very very very very long time for the Z after market to grow. Even now the aftermarket for the z34 is no where near as big as it was for the z33 and other previous Z cars and its been 3.5 years. Greddy already has a reputable TT kit out and the car hasn't been on US soil for a 6 months. The FR-S has is a tuner's wet dream, cheap starting platform (after the dealers stop pushing ridiculous ADM's) and massive competition amongst aftermarket vendors. The FR-S aftermarket is going to dwarf the Z very quickly, social media is already full of pics and concepts that major aftermarket companies are making.

Performance wise, sure the Z will dominate for now but think about how expensive it is to really build the Z34, you're looking at close to 3/4 the cost of the car for a well built and tuned TT kit, an S/C kit will run you at least 10g's. Moreover, while dyno #'s are nice making 500whp+ is useless on a road course, to date I don't think I've seen any TT member even attempt to run it all out at a road course. So you have potentially extreme HP #'s that are good for the drag strip which is not the Z's forte but create a largely uncontrollable monster at the track.

I think the biggest issue with the FR-S is that it comes off as too young but I could probably get around that knowing that the aftermarket for the FR-S is huge. Moreover, call it a gut feeling but given the proper driver a FR-S properly tuned and turboed is going to embarrass a lot of Z guys at the track.

I think it's a cool car, but I doubt a few bolt-ons is going to make this exceptionally fast, even on a track to 'embarass' Z drivers. You can stuff anything under the hood of this thing and claim it to a beast, but you can do that to pretty much any car if you have the cash. Heck, they already stuffed the LF-A engine under there...

....and to be fair, we haven't seen any turbo'd FR-S on the streets, let alone on the track to really know how it handles FI. You don't see too many TT'd 370z's around a track because for the most part, a few bolt on's and reducing weight is all you really need. There's even a few racing teams on here that follow that concept. I really like the FR-S/BRZ, I just think there's just too much hype about this car. I see too many similarities with the RX-8 (another car that could have used FI).

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Originally Posted by RyanWest

Look at the compression ratio on the FR-S, it wont handle boost well.

That's what I was thinking.

gy954 · 07-02-2012, 12:42 PM

Amazing that people post stuff that is flat wrong, especially when the automotive press has covered these cars so extensively.

The two cars are almost identical, sheet-metal aside. (Suspensions--and hence handling characteristics--differ.) Every review I've read says the cars are woefully underpowered, but otherwise show promise, e.g., with tuner work on the existing engine or an altogether different power-plant.

07-02-2012, 11:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
LakeShow A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: L.I., NY Posts: 5,307 Drives: Everything Rep Power: 26	Saw a BRZ myself and it looks quite nice if your on a budget. __________________ \|2013 Audi S4\|Ibis White/Black\|S-Tronic P+\| \|2013 370z\|PearlWhite/Persimmon\|Touring/Sport/Nav\|F.I. CBE 18" CF\| \|Sold\|2011 370z\|Gun Metallic\|Touring/Sport/Nav\|

07-02-2012, 11:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	The BRZ doesn't impress me looks-wise. I definitely think our Z looks better. It is a light tossable car, though. With a turbo thrown in, it'll be formidable on the track compared to our NA Zs. With boosting, though, you're probably getting into the Z's price range which I guess kind of makes it okay to compare stock vs modded. I definitely think the Z is much nicer, though. Plus, in a few months or by next year, we're probably going to see them everywhere. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-02-2012, 11:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	Saw one on the street this past weekend while I was in NY. It does look pretty nice, but I'll also agree that it is not on the same level as the Z. Also FR-S competing with the BRZ __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

07-02-2012, 11:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	We all know car salesmen are idiots who don't know anything about cars themselves. This was referring to shineybluez's post __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-02-2012, 11:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	this thread is going to explode today __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

07-02-2012, 12:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I like the frs/brz for what it is, but it isn't exactly 'cheap' and would much rather have an MX-5. The Z is just too different an audience to even compare the two. To get close to the performance numbers of a stock Z, you'd probably end up spending a ton more on the frs/brz. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

07-02-2012, 12:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	I think the pros for the FR-S/BRZ outweigh the cons and when compared from a tuner's aspect the FR-S is the way to go. Need I remind the long time Z guys that we had to wait a very very very very long time for the Z after market to grow. Even now the aftermarket for the z34 is no where near as big as it was for the z33 and other previous Z cars and its been 3.5 years. Greddy already has a reputable TT kit out and the car hasn't been on US soil for a 6 months. The FR-S has is a tuner's wet dream, cheap starting platform (after the dealers stop pushing ridiculous ADM's) and massive competition amongst aftermarket vendors. The FR-S aftermarket is going to dwarf the Z very quickly, social media is already full of pics and concepts that major aftermarket companies are making. Performance wise, sure the Z will dominate for now but think about how expensive it is to really build the Z34, you're looking at close to 3/4 the cost of the car for a well built and tuned TT kit, an S/C kit will run you at least 10g's. Moreover, while dyno #'s are nice making 500whp+ is useless on a road course, to date I don't think I've seen any TT member even attempt to run it all out at a road course. So you have potentially extreme HP #'s that are good for the drag strip which is not the Z's forte but create a largely uncontrollable monster at the track. I think the biggest issue with the FR-S is that it comes off as too young but I could probably get around that knowing that the aftermarket for the FR-S is huge. Moreover, call it a gut feeling but given the proper driver a FR-S properly tuned and turboed is going to embarrass a lot of Z guys at the track. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

07-02-2012, 12:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
gy954 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sonoma County, CA Posts: 163 Drives: 2011 370Z Rep Power: 182	Geez Amazing that people post stuff that is flat wrong, especially when the automotive press has covered these cars so extensively. The two cars are almost identical, sheet-metal aside. (Suspensions--and hence handling characteristics--differ.) Every review I've read says the cars are woefully underpowered, but otherwise show promise, e.g., with tuner work on the existing engine or an altogether different power-plant.