370Z vs GTR whats the pros
 

Hey I have seen and talked to a couple of people that have decided to ''downgrade'' from gtrs to 370 Zs whats the benifit of that? From what I gather is just that the Z comes in manual. What are the other reasons I have never driven GTR but like other people who arnt in the know everyone talks about that car as a world beating car so why the change?

PS Im new on this forum if I need to have this in another thread please let me know.

money!

I think that is obvious

Honestly, only the associated costs (e.g., price of payments, insurance, upkeep).

In every other regard except cost (bang for the buck?) the GT-R blows away the Z.

I can't imagine anyone could miss working a clutch pedal so much that they'd ditch the GT-R for a far lesser car.

I think there are several people even in these forums that have dont the switch

It seems as though the gtr is a hugely competition focused car. Fastest by any means necessary even if it means it's not as fun to drive. Now I've never driven it nor have I test driven the gtr, however, According to at least one person who's recently made the switch I believe he said the z was a "drivers" car or something. I'm going to have to double check that. Perhaps you would best be served by asking him. One of his reason was the standard transmission and being more connected to the car.

I heard that upkeep in the GT-R wasn't too bad compared to a Porsche. As far as insurance goes, its pretty high up there.

Whats the guys name ? screenname

I know 3 different guys in our local Z club that went from a GTR to the 370z. All of them said it was because of the manual transmission. I mean they all raved about the GTR and how good it was. Didn't really mind that the car did a lot of the "driving" for them. It was all about the fact that they couldn't actually drive a manual. Having driven a DCT/PDK Lambo, Audi R8 V10, and Porsche 997 turbo I would have to agree. In a racing situation on a track the DCT/PDK style transmissions are phenomenal and I would chose one in a heart beat. However, for a car that is a daily driver and sees the track on occasion (non-competitive and just for fun) a manual transmission is what I want. The GTR is a beast but on the street most often than not you would leave it in automatic mode which takes away from part of the driving experience.

The other reasoning I've heard from other people who went from faster cars in general to a 370z is that having something with 500+ hp for a daily driver is almost pointless. You almost can't get aggresive with this type of car as you are quickly exceeding any type of speed limit or law. That's not to say the 370z doesn't quickly get you passed the limit but compared to a GTR or Vette Z06 it does take a bit longer. It's the same reason people praise the miata and the new FR-S/BRZ. The limits of the car are so low that you can actually string them out on the street and still be relatively safe doing it.

Personally I think the GTR might have more sales or retain more drivers if they had a manual option. But because numbers in magazines sell cars they stick with the DCT. It's the one reason I won't move to a GTR like I was planning to when they first came out.

There ya go. So I was wrong about exactly what he said but the spirit of the statement is there.

Yea, I just transferred the lease on my GT-R three days ago. When I first bought the GT-R, I was SUPER excited about owning my first super car. I had read all about the GT-R driving like a video game and being too perfect in a lot of aspects. I never thought that these facts would actually take away from the overall experience. If Nissan offered a true manual tranny I think this would add that missing piece; the true connection between driver and car.

As stated many times, if all you are concerned with is being the fastest around the track and knowing you can decimate most cars on the road, then the GT-R is for you. However, if you actually like to 'earn' your driving performance and be fully connected to the car and road, then you need a manual and a car that isn't all but perfect.

THanks Mr vanquish I too Love manual even my forster XT has a manual.

Just to add another reason, I actually think the 370z is better looking than the GTR. The GTR is not bad looking, but too bulky and lack of a sports car look. It's more like a luxury sport coupe like the g coupe. Just my 2 cents...

Two different animals, two different price ranges! Cars don't really compare other than they are Nissan's and two door sports cars.

but there are alot of people that can afford both i guess because some people are making a switch some up some down it seams to be all in what your looking for

I think it's cause people can't afford it lol.


You need to be making 200k a year or more. I'm wiling to bet its a monetary issue more than the car itself haha.

Nissan said the average buyers income is 200 to be comfortable with payments etc.

I think it's cause people can't afford it lol.


You need to be making 200k a year or more. I'm wiling to bet its a monetary issue more than the car itself haha.

Nissan said the average buyers income is 200 to be comfortable with payments etc.

Silly thread

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The Z is lighter, rwd so more rewarding/fun driving experience on the track despite being much slower, cheaper, better fuel economy, and better styled imo.

GT-R would win everything else, faster, more lustworthy, faster, better interior, faster, and 4 seats. Oh, and it's also much faster. :3

You forgot to mention the GT-R is faster.

I plan on owning both. I know for a fact that when I get the GT-R, I will miss that rear end kicking out...

+1......... :iagree: I have seen more GTR's on the road than the Nismo.

+1........ :iagree: I absolutely agree with you 110%. I would never ever lease an EFFEN GTR. In my personal opinion I think it is stupid to lease a $100k car & have your monthly car payment $1k plus a month. The maintenance is pretty high on the car as well as the insurance. If you can actually afford the car, then you can afford the maintenance & insurance. If one is looking to buy a $100k car, then one should be making at least $250k. If I’m not making $250k plus, then I would never buy a $100k plus car.

the ONLY reason why i didnt get the GTR back in 2009 was because i wanted a MT hobby car and something i can drive spiritedly. GTR's are too stable, too fast, too automatic; it would be too boring to drive around here where i am with 95% of the roads being straight and cop infested. :yawn:

imho GTR's belong on the track. it's not a gorgeous looking thing either... afterall, it is a big lizard from wat i hear.

Why not an M3 or a Mustang as an alternative?
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two completely different cars with completely different markets. hard to compare the two.
Do i want a GTR? yes. Does the fact that it doesnt have a manual tranny bother me? no. can I afford it? no.

cause M3 and Mustang have 4 seats and not really special to me in terms of styling. i liked the E46 M3's but not the current model...and the latest bimmers look like a toyota + hyundai mix. :ugh2:

I think a better alternative for a 'driver's car' in the price range lower than or close to the GT-R would be the 'new' Porsche 911/Boxter S/Cayman S/R, Lotus Exige/Evora or even the Audi TT RS.

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If I had the choice I'd still go with a manual Z, clunky tranny and all. The Z is a real sports car whereas the GTR is an engineering masterpiece and a very very fast car. The pros are relatively easy to list, Z is cheaper, upkeep is cheaper, RWD, manual transmission, and looks better.

The Lotus Exige is way cheaper than a GTR, unless you buy one brand spankin new for $75k but that would be foolish since the car hasn't really changed must after they added the supercharger.

lol, that's why I said lower than...:tup:

...and have you seen the new one that can be had with a V6.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/top...-v6-2012-02-08

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...view-2012-4-25

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All i gotta say is, if you are downgrading from a 100k car to a 30k car to me its more of a money issue.

If you can afford a GTR, like ACTUALLY AFFORD ONE, you can buy a Z too if you really wanted to.

If i can afford a GTR, i would never back track to a Z, regardless of Manual or not. *I'd buy both*

I own a 2010 stock super silver GTR it doesn't feel like a real sports car so I bought another car a 2012 370z sport touring model it currently has 600 rwhp and it feels way more sporty...

there you have it folks.

/thread.

So the moral of the story is.

Buy a 370z and build it up to 600whp then you will have what you want :bowrofl: :tiphat:

This is true financially. I still have a limited amount of garage space. Which car gets booted to the street? The Z I guess. The GTR at $100K so I can have half a dozen winning track days (big maybe) and then drive the manual the rest of the year is too impractical for me. I like driving from work to the track and then for groceries, and home, all in one car. This way I practice every day in my track car.

This would be me.

It is such a strong feeling I will try and describe what I hear every time this is mentioned. I am not accusing anyone of anything, I just want it put into perspective.

"Hey in prison you have men that want sex all day long with you. Soon you won't miss a vagina."

YES I WILL! To each his own.

If Michael Schumaker drives me around the track I will go faster still. The point is, I am driving, not a car that thinks it knows what I want.

GTR's have had poor sales in a bad economy true. Perhaps they would have sold more had they come with a clutch. One more for sure.

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I kind of agree. GT-R with a 6-speed and Syncro-Rev would be awesome.

I make $175k and I was comfortably affording both my GT-R and my 2011 Nissan Maxima. I sold the car because of the reasons I stated in this thread and my original thread. I've always had two cars; one for daily driving and a sports car. Before the GT-R, I had a 2011 E92 M3 Coupe and I sold that because my girlfriend told me we were expecting (my first child).

A few months after my daughter arrived, I started getting the itch again and placed an order for a 2012 E92 M3 Coupe. While waiting for my M3 to be built, I decided that I wanted to try a GT-R, so I cancelled my order and bought a GT-R. After owning (3) M3's before the GT-R, I simply felt that the GT-R was too perfect, too much power for public roads, and not having a manual just made the overall experience less than stimulating.

My reasons for wanting a Nismo Z has nothing to do with finances. I could easily afford a brand new M3 Coupe or any other car in the $75-100k range. However, the only car that peaks my interest, at this point, is the Nismo Z. I was actually going to get the new M5 but after reading that it drives like a luxury car but fast like a super sedan, I was completely turned off. BMW seems to be going 'soft' with the next generation of vehicles. Hopefully, the next M3 stays true to the ///M division's heritage.

Personally, unless you actually have the time to go to the track on a regular basis, which I don't, why own both a GT-R and a Z? You could just daily drive your Z and tune it to your liking. There are a lot of people that make VERY good money and don't drive $100k plus cars.