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All i gotta say is, if you are downgrading from a 100k car to a 30k car to me its more of a money issue.

If you can afford a GTR, like ACTUALLY AFFORD ONE, you can buy a Z too if you really wanted to.

If i can afford a GTR, i would never back track to a Z, regardless of Manual or not. *I'd buy both*

I own a 2010 stock super silver GTR it doesn't feel like a real sports car so I bought another car a 2012 370z sport touring model it currently has 600 rwhp and it feels way more sporty...

there you have it folks.

/thread.

So the moral of the story is.

Buy a 370z and build it up to 600whp then you will have what you want :bowrofl: :tiphat:

This is true financially. I still have a limited amount of garage space. Which car gets booted to the street? The Z I guess. The GTR at $100K so I can have half a dozen winning track days (big maybe) and then drive the manual the rest of the year is too impractical for me. I like driving from work to the track and then for groceries, and home, all in one car. This way I practice every day in my track car.

This would be me.

It is such a strong feeling I will try and describe what I hear every time this is mentioned. I am not accusing anyone of anything, I just want it put into perspective.

"Hey in prison you have men that want sex all day long with you. Soon you won't miss a vagina."

YES I WILL! To each his own.

If Michael Schumaker drives me around the track I will go faster still. The point is, I am driving, not a car that thinks it knows what I want.

GTR's have had poor sales in a bad economy true. Perhaps they would have sold more had they come with a clutch. One more for sure.

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I kind of agree. GT-R with a 6-speed and Syncro-Rev would be awesome.

I make $175k and I was comfortably affording both my GT-R and my 2011 Nissan Maxima. I sold the car because of the reasons I stated in this thread and my original thread. I've always had two cars; one for daily driving and a sports car. Before the GT-R, I had a 2011 E92 M3 Coupe and I sold that because my girlfriend told me we were expecting (my first child).

A few months after my daughter arrived, I started getting the itch again and placed an order for a 2012 E92 M3 Coupe. While waiting for my M3 to be built, I decided that I wanted to try a GT-R, so I cancelled my order and bought a GT-R. After owning (3) M3's before the GT-R, I simply felt that the GT-R was too perfect, too much power for public roads, and not having a manual just made the overall experience less than stimulating.

My reasons for wanting a Nismo Z has nothing to do with finances. I could easily afford a brand new M3 Coupe or any other car in the $75-100k range. However, the only car that peaks my interest, at this point, is the Nismo Z. I was actually going to get the new M5 but after reading that it drives like a luxury car but fast like a super sedan, I was completely turned off. BMW seems to be going 'soft' with the next generation of vehicles. Hopefully, the next M3 stays true to the ///M division's heritage.

Personally, unless you actually have the time to go to the track on a regular basis, which I don't, why own both a GT-R and a Z? You could just daily drive your Z and tune it to your liking. There are a lot of people that make VERY good money and don't drive $100k plus cars.

If this existed, I wouldn't even be on this forum posting threads and I'd still own my GT-R!

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Manual cars are fun ALL the time, except when you're in traffic but its really not that difficult and no one is having fun in traffic. The GT-R is great but its not a Driver's Car.

Subjectively, I think the GT-R looks like crap, on a weekly basis at our local Glen Clove meet you have your Ferraris, Lambos, and a Lotus and then you typically have 2-4 GT-Rs. Guess what, when it comes to looks the crowd doesn't look twice at the GT-R's. So you pay a premium to be the Exotics' Faster Ugly Step Sister, sorry man doesn't work for me.

I understand where your coming from MistaVanquish. I just find it sad when you think your talking to a car guy that respects craftsmanship, R&D, quality, reliability, bloodline & pedigree, interaction with the driver from the car (a true drivers car), and you realize your dealing with someone who is just chasing a price tag. When i first read your post, i had no reason to think it was because of money, my thought is your looking for the best of all worlds (tuning, daily driver, track) nothing wrong with your choice trust me. I am not looking at another weekend toy since i got my 370Z (her name is Vanity).:tiphat:

Bottom line is they couldn't afford the payments/gas/insurance on a GT-R in the first place and probably had no business buying one. Claiming they are a purist and need a manual Z is probably only face saving IMO.