Nissan USA announces 2009 Nismo 370Z Price

t-ray · 06-18-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I think you're the first person to claim that this is even remotely worth its price, when you can get just about the same performance for $6000 less MSRP...

Really? We won't know for sure until an owner weighs the stock wheels, but I bet you wouldn't find a set of aftermarket wheels in the same size that are anywhere close to as light for less than $4k - and that's just for the wheels.

Lug · 06-18-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by t-ray

Really? We won't know for sure until an owner weighs the stock wheels, but I bet you wouldn't find a set of aftermarket wheels in the same size that are anywhere close to as light for less than $4k - and that's just for the wheels.

+ suspension upgrades, +HP upgrade, +rarity, +factory coverage for performance upgrades. Not a steal, but definitely not a gouge either. Some people want everything "stock". And compared to the NISMO 350Z, very very small bump in retail price.

MightyBobo · 06-18-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

+ suspension upgrades, +HP upgrade, +rarity, +factory coverage for performance upgrades. Not a steal, but definitely not a gouge either. Some people want everything "stock". And compared to the NISMO 350Z, very very small bump in retail price.

Suspension upgrades are about the only thing remotely worth it to me, and thats a stretch. I'd just upgrade it anyway.

HP upgrade? We'll see when it hits the dyno, but replacing the stock cat back will yield the same if not better results (seeing as thats the only part they "upgraded" for the Nismo version). And either way, I bet most will swap it out for something better.

Rarity? Yawn. So in the end thats what people are paying for here - to say they have a Nismo Z, and if they plan on keeping it stock. Which will be blown away by base 370's with minimal mods heh.

So for me (someone who actually wants to go fast on a track, and have the satisfaction of modding his own car) and many of the others on here who feel the same, the Nismo is an unattractive waste of money.

MightyBobo · 06-18-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by t-ray

Really? We won't know for sure until an owner weighs the stock wheels, but I bet you wouldn't find a set of aftermarket wheels in the same size that are anywhere close to as light for less than $4k - and that's just for the wheels.

Most people who actually will make use of "light" wheels would rather just replace them with 18's anyway. And either way, the Nismo ones look silly compared to the sport package wheels, IMHO. Furthermore, the only differences is in width - 9.0" vs. 9.5", and 10.0" vs 10.5" is minimal at BEST.

xfrgtr · 06-18-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Suspension upgrades are about the only thing remotely worth it to me, and thats a stretch. I'd just upgrade it anyway.

HP upgrade? We'll see when it hits the dyno, but replacing the stock cat back will yield the same if not better results (seeing as thats the only part they "upgraded" for the Nismo version). And either way, I bet most will swap it out for something better.

Rarity? Yawn. So in the end thats what people are paying for here - to say they have a Nismo Z, and if they plan on keeping it stock. Which will be blown away by base 370's with minimal mods heh.

So for me (someone who actually wants to go fast on a track, and have the satisfaction of modding his own car) and many of the others on here who feel the same, the Nismo is an unattractive waste of money.

Ive never seen such a jealous and unsecure person

MightyBobo · 06-18-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xfrgtr

Ive never seen such a jealous and unsecure person

And an excellent first post from this guy - welcome to the forum! Enjoy your stay, hopefully its short.

Jealous of what? And its "insecure", just so you know...

Lug · 06-18-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

So for me (someone who actually wants to go fast on a track, and have the satisfaction of modding his own car) and many of the others on here who feel the same, the Nismo is an unattractive waste of money.

And that's why I explicitly included the phase "for some people" in my post.

t-ray · 06-18-2009, 01:13 PM

If you're going to be modding a car, then the value proposition of the nismo is undoubtedly lessened. It gets worse if you plan on replacing any suspension components.

However, there exist sporting events where aftermarket modifications are penalized, such as autocrossing. You start messing with things like wheel widths, and you'll find yourself outclassed very quickly.

The nismo is a perfect candidate for somebody like that; its better prepped than a normal 370, and yet the owner is not subject to any classificiation penalties. Makes sense to me.

semtex · 06-18-2009, 01:18 PM

I don't see anything to be jealous about either. I have nothing against the Nismo Z. I'll even say that I think it looks quite nice. But it's nothing to be jealous over, especially not after reading the Edmund's reviews in which the thing broke down repeatedly. I'm not trying to be negative, btw. I sincerely hope they get the kinks worked out and it succeeds. I'm just not feeling the jealousy thing is all I'm saying.

Nismo 370Z Differential Failure | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line

IL Track Tested: 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Touring | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line

MightyBobo · 06-18-2009, 01:26 PM

We'll see when the car is "properly broken in" (according to Car and Driver...I'm snickering at that, by the way).

The truth is this - gains will be MINIMAL, and the difference in things such as Auto-X will come down to the drivers. The only POSITIVE gain that was even noticed (thanks to the motor not being "broken in") was the skid pad, being .99 instead of .98g's. To which they say: "That betters the stock Z by a tenth and is most likely attributable to those Yokohama tires." Read: get better tires on the base Z, and it'll probably perform as well.

Look, I know whats going on here - you guys are in love with the new Nismo, and that is perfectly fine. For some reason, you're insulted that I (and MANY others) don't find this car to be worth it. But don't sit here and make it seem like its so much better (like, $6000 better) than the 370Z, when it simply is not. Its a collectible, and again, thats just fine and dandy. I like doing work on my own car, and the Nismo isn't for that.

So, if you are willing to fork over an extra $6000 for a car that performs practically identically to its cheaper brethren, then by all means - buy the Nismo. Its your money to spend, not mine. I just have an opinion, as does everyone

cossie1600 · 06-18-2009, 01:37 PM

I don't care one way or another for either models, but it seems to me some people are just protective to what they have. 15HP is 15hp, you are going to see a difference in acceleration.

t-ray · 06-18-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Look, I know whats going on here - you guys are in love with the new Nismo, and that is perfectly fine. For some reason, you're insulted that I (and MANY others) don't find this car to be worth it. But don't sit here and make it seem like its so much better (like, $6000 better) than the 370Z, when it simply is not. Its a collectible, and again, thats just fine and dandy. I like doing work on my own car, and the Nismo isn't for that.

Whatever dude. There's nothing "going on here".

I prefer the looks of the standard z; I happen to like the look of the fanged front bumper. I like the idea of replacing the exhaust components with those of my own choosing; the same goes for the wheels and the suspension components. For me, I don't think the price difference is worth it.

However, if I were a serious autocrosser(or similar), and planned to stay stock, then I would opt for the most performant version of the car. And that's the nimso.

MightyBobo · 06-18-2009, 02:03 PM

Assuming stock-class Auto-X, I'd love to see how the stock Nismo performs versus a 370Z base + sport that has improved pads and tires. This is assuming the Nismo is running the same pads/tires btw, because god knows if you get the good stuff in the Base 370Z, you'll probably smoke the Nismo. My money is on whatever is lighter, and we know which one that is.

zZSportZz · 06-18-2009, 03:17 PM

I don't think anyone is jealous over the NISMO at all. I'm sure everyone here will welcome any NISMO owners with open arms and congratz them on their wonderful car. Thats what makes this board so great.

semtex · 06-18-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zZSportZz

I don't think anyone is jealous over the NISMO at all. I'm sure everyone here will welcome any NISMO owners with open arms and congratz them on their wonderful car. Thats what makes this board so great.

Very well said! +rep

06-18-2009, 01:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I don't see anything to be jealous about either. I have nothing against the Nismo Z. I'll even say that I think it looks quite nice. But it's nothing to be jealous over, especially not after reading the Edmund's reviews in which the thing broke down repeatedly. I'm not trying to be negative, btw. I sincerely hope they get the kinks worked out and it succeeds. I'm just not feeling the jealousy thing is all I'm saying. Nismo 370Z Differential Failure \| Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line IL Track Tested: 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Touring \| Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

06-18-2009, 01:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	We'll see when the car is "properly broken in" (according to Car and Driver...I'm snickering at that, by the way). The truth is this - gains will be MINIMAL, and the difference in things such as Auto-X will come down to the drivers. The only POSITIVE gain that was even noticed (thanks to the motor not being "broken in") was the skid pad, being .99 instead of .98g's. To which they say: "That betters the stock Z by a tenth and is most likely attributable to those Yokohama tires." Read: get better tires on the base Z, and it'll probably perform as well. Look, I know whats going on here - you guys are in love with the new Nismo, and that is perfectly fine. For some reason, you're insulted that I (and MANY others) don't find this car to be worth it. But don't sit here and make it seem like its so much better (like, $6000 better) than the 370Z, when it simply is not. Its a collectible, and again, thats just fine and dandy. I like doing work on my own car, and the Nismo isn't for that. So, if you are willing to fork over an extra $6000 for a car that performs practically identically to its cheaper brethren, then by all means - buy the Nismo. Its your money to spend, not mine. I just have an opinion, as does everyone __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

06-18-2009, 02:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	Assuming stock-class Auto-X, I'd love to see how the stock Nismo performs versus a 370Z base + sport that has improved pads and tires. This is assuming the Nismo is running the same pads/tires btw, because god knows if you get the good stuff in the Base 370Z, you'll probably smoke the Nismo. My money is on whatever is lighter, and we know which one that is. __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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t-ray Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: bham al Posts: 91 Drives: 05 g sedan 6mt Rep Power: 16	If you're going to be modding a car, then the value proposition of the nismo is undoubtedly lessened. It gets worse if you plan on replacing any suspension components. However, there exist sporting events where aftermarket modifications are penalized, such as autocrossing. You start messing with things like wheel widths, and you'll find yourself outclassed very quickly. The nismo is a perfect candidate for somebody like that; its better prepped than a normal 370, and yet the owner is not subject to any classificiation penalties. Makes sense to me.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	I don't care one way or another for either models, but it seems to me some people are just protective to what they have. 15HP is 15hp, you are going to see a difference in acceleration.

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