Sense of Speed

Cmike2780

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shadoquad

that spammer p o s

shadoquad

lol he posted facts and cited a study. Where's your proof to counter his?

SailFree

Very cute comment, and considerable truth. The slow driver is often someone who is incapable of dealing quickly with what happens in front of them, which is why they are going slowly, but also surprised by things that overtake them from behind. Twice the danger. Plus the autos overtaking have to deal with the slow driver. Thus more lane-changing going on, braking, evaluating gaps in traffic, etc.

My theory re why insurance company stats show that the safer drivers are those traveling 10MPH FASTER than the traffic around them is that they have only half the world to worry about: What's happening in front of them. Things that occur behind them are no longer in their universe; left behind, as it were. They are not generally being overtaken.

May be an erroneous theory, but it's all mine!

SailFree

"Your a nut. And disagree with everything you say."

That's a cogent, substantive, well-thought-out argument. Thanks!

SailFree

JORDO!

You say "here's the link" but I find no link. I would really appreciate said link, as I've spent much time trying to find the old Cimino study.

SailFree

That was Maxwell Halsey's argument long, long ago. Highway designs and laws which create speed changes are the major cause of accidents. His traffic safety philosophy was to do whatever it took to keep the traffic moving. I think it's been proved many times to be the correct argument.

kenchan

hahahah, glad you liked my fortune cookie. it really does piss people off when someone's driving at or just under speed limit. reality is, this heightend tension causes people to take unnecessary risks and cause accidents.

so a person that appears to be having a bad day (one can tell from just their driving) and then gets 'trapped' behind some anus going 2-3mph under the speed limit, i back off a good 50yrds or so.

Bucketlist2012

You need to come to the Bay area...

People are angry fools..

If you do not have rules of speed, and stop signs, you will have Chaos, no matter what your reports say..

It is the attitude and mind set of the driver that is the problem...Not the slower speed.

It is all about EMOTION, that causes wrecks.. People are not paying attention. or are too selfish and angry, that cause the accidents...

Not the slower drivers...And the argument that driver's that drive slow due so because they need to because they cannot handle the speed ?hahaha.

I drive slow to protect my License...Get to the track with me and good luck keeping up...And if you do, you will be driving your car at the limit, and well done..

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kenchan

"bay area people are angry fools." noted!

Bucketlist2012

Well not all of them...I am the observer...Man, back in my younger days ?

I was both... Now I am pretty happy and pretty smart.

With the state of the economy, it is like people are driving like it is near Christmas. you know how people drive near the holidays ...

They are not concentrating on other things and they are angry, and mean..

Since i retired at 50, I have a different attitude, but before that , i drove 200 miles a day on average at work, so i have some experience with year round driving.

As I said in my BIG fortune cookie earlier...I think a big part is the emotion and mind set of a person.

If you are levelheaded when you drive, you are the better driver at all speeds.

Just my opinion...Not anything more.

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1971 Z/28 with coil overs, rushforth's, willwoods, Hotchkis. 4 speed
GMC Sierra1500

kenchan

very nice explanation indeed. that is the same way here in the mornings when there are fools driving 2-3mph under the speed limit. everyone wants to get to work faster. not sure why. i dont want to go to work faster....

great to hear your retirement at 50. i think you are the envy of many many people.

shadoquad

He attached a PDF document that cited the old Cimino study, but also some newer research, which noted that accidents occurred as speed varied from the norm of the road, and while more accidents occurred when drivers went much slower than the norm, the ones that occurred at much faster than the norm were more often fatal.

shadoquad

You left out the distracted drivers who cause accidents, and they tend to drive more slowly than normal. Yes, slower drivers cause accidents. This has been my main objection to speed cameras for a long time. When people know there is a speed camera, they will speed all the way up to it and then drastically reduce their speed to avoid a ticket. If the motorist behind them doesn't know about the camera, they may rear-end the other driver or be forced to swerve. I've seen that more times than I can count. A state trooper is a better deterrent to speeding, in my opinion, than a speed camera.

Also, the idea that a yield is better than a stop is also quite logical. Replacing red lights with traffic circles has reduced fatalities in a few key locations in Maryland, including the main traffic circle in Towson that links Dulaney Valley Rd to a couple other main arteries. The number of fender benders increased, but the number of severe accidents involving bodily harm went to practically nil.

Bucketlist2012

Thanks. I tried to give my best explanation.

And Thanks about the retirement. A few things, Don't be too envious. I have some serious medical conditions that MADE me retire early..Brain, and Heart stuff..Do not be envious...You don't want this stuff..

True I planned to retire at 57 due to long term planning, but the health issues made it happen sooner. moral is start early and have a plan B. Also I "yinged" when 2006 to 2008 "yanged", and I was one of the Lucky/smart few that were on the winning end..I lost in the bubble of the 1980's, and I saw this one coming..

And to Shado Quad..Around this area, yield signs would not work, people are just plain selfish and crazy..But we can agree to disagree..

The resort/Home I am bidding on ,is in an area of no traffic , and a much more laid back area..Here people commute long distances to major cities are they are in a constant "road Rage"..

So as I said before, I just stay out of the way since I have nowhere to be in a hurry, unless on the Track..

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2009 Sport/Touring 370Z
1971 Z/28 with coil overs, rushforth's, willwoods, Hotchkis. 4 speed
GMC Sierra1500