Sense of Speed

kenchan · 06-12-2012, 10:18 AM

the stupid old people that drives 10-15mph under the limit should drive this car! lol

Mt Tam I am · 06-12-2012, 10:28 AM

On the freeway, I must use the cruise control or I will creep up in speed.

SailFree · 06-12-2012, 10:42 AM

There has been much scientific research about speed limits and safety, and essentially 100% of the data is ignored by bureaucrats, politicians, police, and even voters when it comes to establishing traffic laws.

1) Joan Cimino, a researcher with the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, analyzed all the available data about speed limits and safety back around 1984, as I recall, and found NO relationship between speed limits and safety. Don't try to find this information anywhere. It appears it was shredded, thrown into the trash, burned, deleted, and has vanished entirely from the known universe. I suspect Ms. Cimino was taken to the desert and killed for her traffic safety heresy and buried outside Las Vegas. I have been able to find no mention of her since this study appeared, nor any mention of her research and findings.

2) In the 1950s, a study was done which demonstrated that unreasonably LOW speed limits actually INCREASED the speed of drivers--perhaps they were just showing their rebellious American nature toward bureaucracy.

3) Around 1950, a study out of Massachusetts found that a high percentage of accidents wherein police listed "speed" as the cause were actually due to mechanical failure in the automobile. Police were just defaulting to "speed" as a cause of accidents even when no direct evidence of speeding was present and without conducting any actual investigation.

4) Analysis of the safety record of drivers showed that the safest drivers habitually drove 10MPH OVER the speed of the rest of the traffic. Insurance companies don't want you to know this!

5) Yield signs are safer than stop signs, and yet law requires you to come to a complete stop at a stop sign even though that IS MORE DANGEROUS.

6) Traffic lights produce more danger than yield signs, and yet citizens often clamor for traffic lights at street corners.

7) The greatest dangers occur when traffic is forced to slow down. Keeping the traffic moving is the best safety principle. (See Maxwell Halsey's great book on highway safety printed back in the 1940s.)

8) Research has conclusively demonstrated that, when left to their own devices (no speed limit set), almost all drivers rationally drive at the speed which is SAFEST FOR THEM. This may be a completely different speed from that which is safest for another driver. One size of pantyhose does NOT FIT ALL.

Don't expect ANY scientific research to get you excused from a speeding ticket or from rolling through a stop sign.

But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data.

I'll be 71 years old in a couple weeks. I resent the "old driver" comment! (Just kidding...) My average speed on my latest road trip of nearly 1000 miles was 71MPH and my gas mileage was 27.2MPG. Not bad numbers at all. Indeed, the MPH figure was HIGHER than the advertised highway mileage for the 370Z. Before radar and laser speed guns were common, I often averaged around 90MPH on trips and once 98.7 over 300 miles. Paul Newman was an old guy who, at 80 years old, could still drive racing speeds around a road course. One size (stereotype) of pantyhose does not fit all! (A song by The Waitresses had that title around 30 years ago...)

shadoquad · 06-12-2012, 10:46 AM

SailFree, your post contains much too much logic for this forum.

kenchan · 06-12-2012, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad

SailFree, your post contains much too much logic for this forum.

agreed, thus he is now an ignore list candidate.

ZMan8 · 06-12-2012, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

agreed, thus he is now an ignore list candidate.

LOL

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robones · 06-12-2012, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SailFree

There has been much scientific research about speed limits and safety, and essentially 100% of the data is ignored by bureaucrats, politicians, police, and even voters when it comes to establishing traffic laws.

1) Joan Cimino, a researcher with the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, analyzed all the available data about speed limits and safety back around 1984, as I recall, and found NO relationship between speed limits and safety. Don't try to find this information anywhere. It appears it was shredded, thrown into the trash, burned, deleted, and has vanished entirely from the known universe. I suspect Ms. Cimino was taken to the desert and killed for her traffic safety heresy and buried outside Las Vegas. I have been able to find no mention of her since this study appeared, nor any mention of her research and findings.

2) In the 1950s, a study was done which demonstrated that unreasonably LOW speed limits actually INCREASED the speed of drivers--perhaps they were just showing their rebellious American nature toward bureaucracy.

3) Around 1950, a study out of Massachusetts found that a high percentage of accidents wherein police listed "speed" as the cause were actually due to mechanical failure in the automobile. Police were just defaulting to "speed" as a cause of accidents even when no direct evidence of speeding was present and without conducting any actual investigation.

4) Analysis of the safety record of drivers showed that the safest drivers habitually drove 10MPH OVER the speed of the rest of the traffic. Insurance companies don't want you to know this!

5) Yield signs are safer than stop signs, and yet law requires you to come to a complete stop at a stop sign even though that IS MORE DANGEROUS.

6) Traffic lights produce more danger than yield signs, and yet citizens often clamor for traffic lights at street corners.

7) The greatest dangers occur when traffic is forced to slow down. Keeping the traffic moving is the best safety principle. (See Maxwell Halsey's great book on highway safety printed back in the 1940s.)

8) Research has conclusively demonstrated that, when left to their own devices (no speed limit set), almost all drivers rationally drive at the speed which is SAFEST FOR THEM. This may be a completely different speed from that which is safest for another driver. One size of pantyhose does NOT FIT ALL.

Don't expect ANY scientific research to get you excused from a speeding ticket or from rolling through a stop sign.

But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data.

I'll be 71 years old in a couple weeks. I resent the "old driver" comment! (Just kidding...) My average speed on my latest road trip of nearly 1000 miles was 71MPH and my gas mileage was 27.2MPG. Not bad numbers at all. Indeed, the MPH figure was HIGHER than the advertised highway mileage for the 370Z. Before radar and laser speed guns were common, I often averaged around 90MPH on trips and once 98.7 over 300 miles. Paul Newman was an old guy who, at 80 years old, could still drive racing speeds around a road course. One size (stereotype) of pantyhose does not fit all! (A song by The Waitresses had that title around 30 years ago...)

Wow! Very nice reading. Thank you.

90 ST · 06-12-2012, 11:10 AM

Agree 100%, "But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data."

I think Montana was the last hold out for no speed limits on the freeway, but thats done now too.

bigdog1250 · 06-12-2012, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90 ST

Agree 100%, "But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data."

I think Montana was the last hold out for no speed limits on the freeway, but thats done now too.

^ Exactly, driving briskly keeps you alert. Especially when you have a manual transmission. I wish we had an autobahn here in the states....

Cmike2780 · 06-12-2012, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

agreed, thus he is now an ignore list candidate.

Who's not on your ignore list,lol? Pretty soon all you'll see is this.

kenchan · 06-12-2012, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Who's not on your ignore list,lol? Pretty soon all you'll see is this.

lol! that's when i quit the370zcom

wstar · 06-12-2012, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SailFree

7) The greatest dangers occur when traffic is forced to slow down. Keeping the traffic moving is the best safety principle. (See Maxwell Halsey's great book on highway safety printed back in the 1940s.)

I wish at least this one rational point would be emphasized more at Police departments. About once a month somewhere in Houston, I'll be ripping along safely in "normal" Houston traffic (which means a 4+ lane highway, the speed limit is say 60, but real traffic speeds are commonly ranging up to 85-ish or so with lots of passing going on, and a few of us nuts doing well over that in the safer stretches)....

And then bam, I come into this traffic brick wall. There will be a pack of cars across all lanes about 20 cars deep doing 3 mph under the speed limit, and a cop sitting up at the front of the pack. People in the back mostly don't even realize the cop is up there, so they're all jockeying around for position and trying to get through it. It's a war zone, and the odds of accident in those packs goes way the hell up. Nobody at the front is willing to make the pass on the cop though. I'll usually eventually make it up front and pass the cop at 5-10 over. Never been pulled over for doing that (but frankly I'd love it if he did so I could give him a piece of my mind...), people are just scared.

mhcoss · 06-12-2012, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SailFree

There has been much scientific research about speed limits and safety, and essentially 100% of the data is ignored by bureaucrats, politicians, police, and even voters when it comes to establishing traffic laws.

1) Joan Cimino, a researcher with the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, analyzed all the available data about speed limits and safety back around 1984, as I recall, and found NO relationship between speed limits and safety. Don't try to find this information anywhere. It appears it was shredded, thrown into the trash, burned, deleted, and has vanished entirely from the known universe. I suspect Ms. Cimino was taken to the desert and killed for her traffic safety heresy and buried outside Las Vegas. I have been able to find no mention of her since this study appeared, nor any mention of her research and findings.

2) In the 1950s, a study was done which demonstrated that unreasonably LOW speed limits actually INCREASED the speed of drivers--perhaps they were just showing their rebellious American nature toward bureaucracy.

3) Around 1950, a study out of Massachusetts found that a high percentage of accidents wherein police listed "speed" as the cause were actually due to mechanical failure in the automobile. Police were just defaulting to "speed" as a cause of accidents even when no direct evidence of speeding was present and without conducting any actual investigation.

4) Analysis of the safety record of drivers showed that the safest drivers habitually drove 10MPH OVER the speed of the rest of the traffic. Insurance companies don't want you to know this!

5) Yield signs are safer than stop signs, and yet law requires you to come to a complete stop at a stop sign even though that IS MORE DANGEROUS.

6) Traffic lights produce more danger than yield signs, and yet citizens often clamor for traffic lights at street corners.

7) The greatest dangers occur when traffic is forced to slow down. Keeping the traffic moving is the best safety principle. (See Maxwell Halsey's great book on highway safety printed back in the 1940s.)

8) Research has conclusively demonstrated that, when left to their own devices (no speed limit set), almost all drivers rationally drive at the speed which is SAFEST FOR THEM. This may be a completely different speed from that which is safest for another driver. One size of pantyhose does NOT FIT ALL.

Don't expect ANY scientific research to get you excused from a speeding ticket or from rolling through a stop sign.

But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data.

I'll be 71 years old in a couple weeks. I resent the "old driver" comment! (Just kidding...) My average speed on my latest road trip of nearly 1000 miles was 71MPH and my gas mileage was 27.2MPG. Not bad numbers at all. Indeed, the MPH figure was HIGHER than the advertised highway mileage for the 370Z. Before radar and laser speed guns were common, I often averaged around 90MPH on trips and once 98.7 over 300 miles. Paul Newman was an old guy who, at 80 years old, could still drive racing speeds around a road course. One size (stereotype) of pantyhose does not fit all! (A song by The Waitresses had that title around 30 years ago...)

Yeah with artificially low speed limits lane respect goes down. People incorrectly use left lanes and don't allow others to pass. That is why traffic fatalities increase. Now if you actually are involved at a crash at 90mph vs 70 mph it will certainly be more dangerous at the higher speed but with more respectful drivers less likely.

kenchan · 06-12-2012, 01:37 PM

the biggest contributor to an accident is the one that drives slow.

how's that for a fortune cookie? lol

SailFree · 06-12-2012, 02:54 PM

Wow! Very nice reading. Thank you.--Robones
SailFree, your post contains much too much logic for this forum.--shadoquad

Heck, I can't win here. Either someone sucking up or someone disrespecting!

Seriously, thanks folks.

--SailFree

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06-12-2012, 10:42 AM	#18 (permalink)
SailFree Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 173 Drives: 12 370Z GM 7ATS NavS Rep Power: 13	There has been much scientific research about speed limits and safety, and essentially 100% of the data is ignored by bureaucrats, politicians, police, and even voters when it comes to establishing traffic laws. 1) Joan Cimino, a researcher with the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, analyzed all the available data about speed limits and safety back around 1984, as I recall, and found NO relationship between speed limits and safety. Don't try to find this information anywhere. It appears it was shredded, thrown into the trash, burned, deleted, and has vanished entirely from the known universe. I suspect Ms. Cimino was taken to the desert and killed for her traffic safety heresy and buried outside Las Vegas. I have been able to find no mention of her since this study appeared, nor any mention of her research and findings. 2) In the 1950s, a study was done which demonstrated that unreasonably LOW speed limits actually INCREASED the speed of drivers--perhaps they were just showing their rebellious American nature toward bureaucracy. 3) Around 1950, a study out of Massachusetts found that a high percentage of accidents wherein police listed "speed" as the cause were actually due to mechanical failure in the automobile. Police were just defaulting to "speed" as a cause of accidents even when no direct evidence of speeding was present and without conducting any actual investigation. 4) Analysis of the safety record of drivers showed that the safest drivers habitually drove 10MPH OVER the speed of the rest of the traffic. Insurance companies don't want you to know this! 5) Yield signs are safer than stop signs, and yet law requires you to come to a complete stop at a stop sign even though that IS MORE DANGEROUS. 6) Traffic lights produce more danger than yield signs, and yet citizens often clamor for traffic lights at street corners. 7) The greatest dangers occur when traffic is forced to slow down. Keeping the traffic moving is the best safety principle. (See Maxwell Halsey's great book on highway safety printed back in the 1940s.) 8) Research has conclusively demonstrated that, when left to their own devices (no speed limit set), almost all drivers rationally drive at the speed which is SAFEST FOR THEM. This may be a completely different speed from that which is safest for another driver. One size of pantyhose does NOT FIT ALL. Don't expect ANY scientific research to get you excused from a speeding ticket or from rolling through a stop sign. But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data. I'll be 71 years old in a couple weeks. I resent the "old driver" comment! (Just kidding...) My average speed on my latest road trip of nearly 1000 miles was 71MPH and my gas mileage was 27.2MPG. Not bad numbers at all. Indeed, the MPH figure was HIGHER than the advertised highway mileage for the 370Z. Before radar and laser speed guns were common, I often averaged around 90MPH on trips and once 98.7 over 300 miles. Paul Newman was an old guy who, at 80 years old, could still drive racing speeds around a road course. One size (stereotype) of pantyhose does not fit all! (A song by The Waitresses had that title around 30 years ago...) Last edited by SailFree; 06-12-2012 at 10:51 AM.

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06-12-2012, 10:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	the stupid old people that drives 10-15mph under the limit should drive this car! lol

06-12-2012, 10:46 AM	#19 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	SailFree, your post contains much too much logic for this forum.

06-12-2012, 11:10 AM	#23 (permalink)
90 ST A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,861 Drives: 90 and 15 GMC Sierra Rep Power: 421	Agree 100%, "But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data." I think Montana was the last hold out for no speed limits on the freeway, but thats done now too.

06-12-2012, 01:37 PM	#29 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	the biggest contributor to an accident is the one that drives slow. how's that for a fortune cookie? lol

06-12-2012, 02:54 PM	#30 (permalink)
SailFree Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 173 Drives: 12 370Z GM 7ATS NavS Rep Power: 13	Wow! Very nice reading. Thank you.--Robones SailFree, your post contains much too much logic for this forum.--shadoquad Heck, I can't win here. Either someone sucking up or someone disrespecting! Seriously, thanks folks. --SailFree