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kenchan 06-12-2012 01:56 PM

sailfree- any comments on my fortune cookie quote? :tup:

Bucketlist2012 06-12-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1768232)
sailfree- any comments on my fortune cookie quote? :tup:


Speed is not the factor that causes danger, but one's mind set and attitude at the time they are speeding..

From Confused Mikey.

kenchan 06-12-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1768263)
Speed is not the factor that causes danger, but one's mind set and attitude at the time they are speeding..

From Confused Mikey.

you're going to need a jumbo-sized fortune cookie for that one, tiki tiki tembo! :tup:

Zenki370 06-12-2012 03:55 PM

My previous car was a Lexus GS430 and I must say I find that I was able to tell speed in that car alot better than the Z. The Z is very stable.

troubadour 06-12-2012 04:13 PM

The National Motorists Association ("NMA") is the only organization I've known that consistently stands up for motorists in the U.S. They even have a Washington lobbying arm. They have much good info about "speed kills" nonsense, radar, red light cameras, etc. I recommend joining to support the rights of motorists (no ax to grind here - I'm just an ordinary member). The HQ is located in Wisconsin, and you can get info at National Motorists Association Website. I buy a family membership every year and consider it money well spent. What with all the "green" nonsense about "evil automobiles," the train lobby siphoning the highway trust fund, etc. - we need all the help we can get.

kfull 06-12-2012 06:24 PM

i remember a few weeks after I got my Z i was driving through town in a 35 mph zone with a cop behind me, so I was going exactly 35 and I literally couldn't control my own laughter because of how silly it was that I was going so slow...It was a road that I could easily go 45+ on safely.

wstar 06-12-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by troubadour (Post 1768470)
The National Motorists Association ("NMA") is the only organization I've known that consistently stands up for motorists in the U.S. .... National Motorists Association Website.

Thanks for the link. They sound like my kind of people, and I'd never heard of them :)

RandyD 06-12-2012 06:47 PM

i think the car actually gets more stable the higher you go... feels great in top gear at around 5k rpm....

sonic370 06-12-2012 09:00 PM

yeah i get that same feeling. when i do i just turn on the cruise control....

Tribalpinoy91 06-12-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SailFree (Post 1767665)
There has been much scientific research about speed limits and safety, and essentially 100% of the data is ignored by bureaucrats, politicians, police, and even voters when it comes to establishing traffic laws.

1) Joan Cimino, a researcher with the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, analyzed all the available data about speed limits and safety back around 1984, as I recall, and found NO relationship between speed limits and safety. Don't try to find this information anywhere. It appears it was shredded, thrown into the trash, burned, deleted, and has vanished entirely from the known universe. I suspect Ms. Cimino was taken to the desert and killed for her traffic safety heresy and buried outside Las Vegas. I have been able to find no mention of her since this study appeared, nor any mention of her research and findings.

2) In the 1950s, a study was done which demonstrated that unreasonably LOW speed limits actually INCREASED the speed of drivers--perhaps they were just showing their rebellious American nature toward bureaucracy.

3) Around 1950, a study out of Massachusetts found that a high percentage of accidents wherein police listed "speed" as the cause were actually due to mechanical failure in the automobile. Police were just defaulting to "speed" as a cause of accidents even when no direct evidence of speeding was present and without conducting any actual investigation.

4) Analysis of the safety record of drivers showed that the safest drivers habitually drove 10MPH OVER the speed of the rest of the traffic. Insurance companies don't want you to know this!

5) Yield signs are safer than stop signs, and yet law requires you to come to a complete stop at a stop sign even though that IS MORE DANGEROUS.

6) Traffic lights produce more danger than yield signs, and yet citizens often clamor for traffic lights at street corners.

7) The greatest dangers occur when traffic is forced to slow down. Keeping the traffic moving is the best safety principle. (See Maxwell Halsey's great book on highway safety printed back in the 1940s.)

8) Research has conclusively demonstrated that, when left to their own devices (no speed limit set), almost all drivers rationally drive at the speed which is SAFEST FOR THEM. This may be a completely different speed from that which is safest for another driver. One size of pantyhose does NOT FIT ALL.

Don't expect ANY scientific research to get you excused from a speeding ticket or from rolling through a stop sign.

But I think this does explain your problem. You are subconsciously attempting to drive at the speed which which is safest for YOU AND YOUR AUTOMOBILE. I note that driving at a slow speed allows my mind to wander and thus I am likely to be more vulnerable to making a driving mistake. Driving faster forces more concentration. That may be part of the answer to the above data.

I'll be 71 years old in a couple weeks. I resent the "old driver" comment! (Just kidding...) My average speed on my latest road trip of nearly 1000 miles was 71MPH and my gas mileage was 27.2MPG. Not bad numbers at all. Indeed, the MPH figure was HIGHER than the advertised highway mileage for the 370Z. Before radar and laser speed guns were common, I often averaged around 90MPH on trips and once 98.7 over 300 miles. Paul Newman was an old guy who, at 80 years old, could still drive racing speeds around a road course. One size (stereotype) of pantyhose does not fit all! (A song by The Waitresses had that title around 30 years ago...)

Your a nut. And disagree with everything you say.

Bucketlist2012 06-12-2012 09:18 PM

If I don't use the cruise control, 90 MPH happens and I don't even feel it..

I can handle High speeds, i just cannot handle tickets...

So I use My "ticket control" option..

90 ST 06-12-2012 11:32 PM

i think 90 mph is the top speed cruise control works in the Z.

Jordo! 06-13-2012 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SailFree (Post 1767665)
A song by The Waitresses had that title around 30 years ago...

I know that song. Didn't it get used as the theme to a sitcom? Pretty good band.

I've heard that driving 5-10 below below the speed limit was found to be more highly associated with accidents than driving 5-10 above, but it's not as if there aren't car wrecks on the Autobahn...

I'm going to ignore your advice and do some research anyway :p -- thanks for posting :tiphat:

EDIT: Here's a NHTSA.gov link with a pdf of some findings and conclusions -- they mention, and do not dismiss, Cimino's work, but also note that speed changes and other factors matter quite a bit.

Anyway, more contemporary (from 2005) findings to muse over. Check it out if so inclined :tiphat:

wstar 06-13-2012 01:44 AM

Well the essence of the speed argument is that there are two ways to look at the speed factor. Speed definitely does increase accident mortality. A crash from cruising at 90 is going to be more fatal than a crash from cruising at 55, that's just physics. The counter-arguments don't deny that. The other side of the argument though, is that restricting speeds leads to traffic patterns and driver behaviors that are more likely to cause an accident in the first place.

mhcoss 06-13-2012 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1769180)
Well the essence of the speed argument is that there are two ways to look at the speed factor. Speed definitely does increase accident mortality. A crash from cruising at 90 is going to be more fatal than a crash from cruising at 55, that's just physics. The counter-arguments don't deny that. The other side of the argument though, is that restricting speeds leads to traffic patterns and driver behaviors that are more likely to cause an accident in the first place.

Yea I agree with this 100%


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