Era of the Muscle Car is over

jakoye · 06-16-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by moondoggy

Thanks for hijacking my thread. What a bunch of jerks!!!

No problem! We always like to turn boring threads into interesting ones.

moondoggy · 06-16-2009, 04:30 PM

F-Off **** breath! Punks like you that give forums bad names.

jakoye · 06-16-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by benfiji

I agree Global Warming is a theory not a fact...

Most people when they feel their home town is having a cool summer, etc. think global warming is a myth but 2009 temparatures recorded as of March were the 8th HIGHEST ever recorded. However when talking about global warming earth temperatures are measured in 30 year averages, not single year.

Earth's temperature 8th-warmest on record so far in 2009 - USATODAY.com

As far as the scientist who claim it doesn't exist, have you have looked to see who is paying the? Yes, it is the oil companies! Oil companies want us to purchase as much oil as possible to increase there margins. All the 'marketing efforts' since many have not seen them include paying these scientists and all the commericials saying how they are 'green' and doing research for renewable energy.

Oil Companies and Greenwashing - exxon bp shell chevron oil

Lastly, sorry all for turning this into a political thread. I do think sports cars will always be around a long as people keep buying them. They may have different technologies than today, but as consumers we can still dictate what the automotive industry creates.

I don't care. Really, I don't. I want gas to be cheap. I want 300+ horses under my hood. I want to hear the roar of a gasoline-powered engine, not the hum of a glorified golf cart.

And, I want that Z I'm gonna buy to stay in the low 30K range. I don't want it to be a 40/50K sports car. This is what's gonna happen if we start instituting carbon taxes.

I say "no".

jakoye · 06-16-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by moondoggy

F-Off **** breath! Punks like you that give forums bad names.

I guess you didn't get the sarcasm. That's okay. Sarcasm detectors are notoriously unreliable. Still, might want to give yours a check-up.

Anyone taking bets on how long before this thread gets locked?

Modshack · 06-16-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye

IAnyone taking bets on how long before this thread gets locked?

Soon......

BrokenVow · 06-16-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

We really aren't running out of oil. I'm sure you will start hearing about "peak oil" again once gas prices climb over 3 bucks a gallon, just like we did last summer. We also heard about "peak oil" in the 70's during the gas crunch. That was over 30 years ago. The fact is that right now the oil supply is very high, and demand is also low. OPEC nations are holding it back because they want to artificially drive the price up to $100 a barrel. Our government is more than happy to see them do this because the only way to get people to buy these crazy cars they are pushing is for gas to come close to 5 bucks a gallon.

My question to those that believe in all of this global warming BS is this: What good does it do to have a country of 300 million people crippling their economy to keep the planet green when China and India have a combined population of over 2 billion and they are polluting at a record pace? Unless we put a "Simpsonesque" dome over our country our efforts are really wasted. Even if man truly is destroying the planet, then we might as well "somoke em' if we got em'", because a majority of the planet's population is not going to do anything to stop it.

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro

There are many scientist that believe the plant produces oil naturually on its own and we wont ever run out. Its the best reNEWable resurce we have.
dont wanta get off topic though.. if the muscle cars go away maybe we can build are own KIT cars with jap. engines.. that would be nice.

I've got a major case of second hand embarrassment.

FricFrac · 06-16-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

I have never seen one piece of marketing by any oil or energy company claiming that global warming is BS. I have read and listened to many scientists that simply do not believe that global warming exists, and if it does then it is more than likely due to natural cyclical changes in the planet and not carbon emissions. I have also heard interviews with scientists claiming that they are strong armed into perpetuating this "global warming" phenomenom in order to receive any government funding for other research projects. The earth has already survived one ice age and that was millions of years before any soccer mom decided to drive an SUV. Man didn't cause that one. Maybe dinosaurs were really gassy.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, but please don't try to say that I am uneducated or influenced by marketing that just doesn't exist. If anything oil companies will make more from this global warming scare. Gas prices need to skyrocket for the whole thing to work, and not everything can be battery operated, and even if it was we would need some kind of carbon fuel to charge the batteries. If anything the millions in marketing is being spent by those that are propogating global warming, and perhaps it is you who is so easily influenced.

Agreed. Esp about being uneducated about such things. I personally believe that there is far too little data in our hundredish years of data to make assumptions about the last 6,000 or 6 trillion billion years (another debate) has any correlation between global warming and natural cycles..... regardless most believe that there is global warming which I personally believe is a good thing because it makes the mindless a little more mindful of the environment. ...and like you said not to make it a political debat but to infer someone is uneducated.... that's just wrong...

Regardless - long live the Z!

edeeZee · 06-16-2009, 06:54 PM

Times change, it's as cliche as that. But the new things that arise usually have more pluses than minuses.

Supposedly a hybrid 370 is coming out soon. I would've taken that instead of my "traditional" 370 had they both been available.

Brazilbro · 06-17-2009, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by edeeZee

Times change, it's as cliche as that. But the new things that arise usually have more pluses than minuses.

Supposedly a hybrid 370 is coming out soon. I would've taken that instead of my "traditional" 370 had they both been available.

you would?? the batteries and motors would push it to the 4000lb mark , not to mention the weight balance.. what fun would that be? it would just be a sexy looking car with no performance.. if you want a 2 seater hybrid pick up a used insight... probably have better MPG and performace.

Mental Block · 06-17-2009, 02:34 AM

Al Gore invented the internet. I'd really consider listening to what he has to say.

Mergnthwirker · 06-17-2009, 10:54 AM

I've been watching the development of the Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems used in Formula 1 racing this year. Next year the system will be mandated for all teams. The system adds weight (battery, electronics, motors) but provides short bursts of 80HP at the driver's control. Kinda like hitting the "nitrous" button!

I'd like to see more motor racing organizations mandating the use of hybrid technology.

In fact, I'd love to see a series such as Indy racing adopt ruling so there are no restrictions at all on the technology, but an absolute cap on the amount of fuel that can be used. OK folks, here's the Indy 500. Every competitor is limited to 50 gallons of fuel. Good luck! Gentleman (and ladies), start your engines!

CrownR426 · 06-17-2009, 11:02 AM

I hope muscle cars don't fade away.
Who else will we depend on to bother us on the highways?

FricFrac · 06-17-2009, 06:57 PM

Interesting what the designer of the 370Z says about the Z and how its powered

"His love of the Z’s iconic design comes through in his voice. He owns a 1977 280Z “and every time I drive it, people young or old say, hey, I love your car. It has the cult following, and it’s a very special car in its way. With the gas crunch, all the manufacturers are pushing for zero emissions, electric power, different ways of powering a vehicle. Maybe it’ll be powered in a different way, but the Z has such a huge following, it’ll always be around and always have a receptive audience. It’s a balance of performance, design and value, and you can’t go wrong with that"

antennahead · 06-17-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mental Block

Al Gore invented the internet. I'd really consider listening to what he has to say.

ZKindaGuy · 06-17-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by moondoggy

After being around 50+ years I've been able to see the evolution and devolution of the Muscle Car and Sports Car. With the fall of GM and Chrysler and the rising cost of gas I suspect that we are at the end of the line for such cars. Only the rich will be able to indulge in performance cars. When I was a youngster I used to see all those old fellows driving Hemi's, Vett's,Big Block Chevy and Fords and wondered If I would ever be able to afford a car with such performance. Well I'm old to do so and glad I lived long enough to finally have a car That I wanted as a Kid. There is so much magic in the internal combustion engine that no hybrid or electric car can ever produce. I also believe that this will be the last generation of the Z once it's product life cycle is through.

The one thing I learned in the 55 years I have lived...in regards to anything that is being poo-pooed by the majority population, the media or the government....if you lie down to those pundits then the tide will certainly swing in that direction and what you once enjoyed will end for you. However if people would just stop being so damn apathetic and fight back then there is a good chance the era won't come to an end.

The problem is that the minority who enjoy the "era" things think they if they make their own individual voice heard and cry out loudly against the majority then they will be dooming themselves to being targeted for redicule and even attack by the majority.

Well so what???!! It has been this way since the beginning of time. But history has proven the loudest and strongest are not necessilary the majority. So quit putting your head between your legs and start getting involved in those efforts that exist to counter the pundits. And if no efforts exist then start one of your own grassroots style.

Lets face it..do you actualy think that this country came about as a result of our forefathers outnumbering the Brits?

06-17-2009, 02:34 AM	#70 (permalink)
Mental Block Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 94 Drives: '03 Redline 350Z Rep Power: 16	Al Gore invented the internet. I'd really consider listening to what he has to say. __________________ Mental Block - '03 Redline 350Z

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CrownR426 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Korea Posts: 4,676 Drives: Manual Rep Power: 848	I hope muscle cars don't fade away. Who else will we depend on to bother us on the highways? __________________ Love + Hardwork + Passion RIP SVTRacer

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