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SouthArk370Z 01-23-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14 (Post 2125400)
After snipping the wire or pulling the fuse, even though it doesn't throw a fault code on the dash, will Nissan see any faults through their Nissan scan-tool when I take the car in for service? I know they are able to get more information than the standard run of the mill scan tool you buy at autozone.

As far as I have been able to determine, no faults are thrown. Even if it did, so what? Who cares if Nissan or the dealer know? They can't void your warranty over it (except for maybe the warranty on the SLU itself).

bmarcinczyk14 01-23-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2126415)
As far as I have been able to determine, no faults are thrown. Even if it did, so what? Who cares if Nissan or the dealer know? They can't void your warranty over it (except for maybe the warranty on the SLU itself).

I thought maybe they could if they find the wire cut? In my experience dealerships will try to get out of anything and save money.

Unexpectedfar 01-23-2013 11:38 AM

just because im lazy... which fuse do we remove?

SouthArk370Z 01-23-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14 (Post 2126433)
I thought maybe they could if they find the wire cut? In my experience dealerships will try to get out of anything and save money.

They cannot refuse a warranty claim if your mods are not part of the problem. Eg, if you put the wrong antifreeze in the radiator, they can't deny a claim on a bad differential. The only thing that the SLU affects is the starting circuit and it is only an interlock for that circuit.
Your warranty is not with the dealership. If the dealership gives you any crap, contact the company that you have the warranty with, ie, Nissan, and/or find another dealer.

DCspartan09 01-24-2013 07:46 PM

Mine just died today at lunch. Went to start, light was flashing, wouldn't start with the key in the fobgina, couldn't get it to go to ACC for the life of me. Had to have it thrown on the flat bed and taken to nearby nissan dealer.

I understand that sometimes yanking on the steering wheel up and down, or tapping on the unit under the steering column can sometimes get it to unlock and allow starting the vehicle and subsequently pulling the fuse. What I haven't really seen much response to is when the SLU fails but in the unlocked position (e.g., never locked after shutting down the engine, and can freely turn the wheels while its off). Sounds like pulling the fuse at this point WONT fix it.

Can anyone help with recommendations on what I CAN do tomorrow when I stop by the dealer to get the car to ACC/ON so I can pull the fuse? Thank you.

daisuke149 01-24-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DCspartan09 (Post 2128984)
Mine just died today at lunch. Went to start, light was flashing, wouldn't start with the key in the fobgina, couldn't get it to go to ACC for the life of me. Had to have it thrown on the flat bed and taken to nearby nissan dealer.

I understand that sometimes yanking on the steering wheel up and down, or tapping on the unit under the steering column can sometimes get it to unlock and allow starting the vehicle and subsequently pulling the fuse. What I haven't really seen much response to is when the SLU fails but in the unlocked position (e.g., never locked after shutting down the engine, and can freely turn the wheels while its off). Sounds like pulling the fuse at this point WONT fix it.

Can anyone help with recommendations on what I CAN do tomorrow when I stop by the dealer to get the car to ACC/ON so I can pull the fuse? Thank you.

your saying yours died while in the unlocked position?

chances are that when it is dying, its giving a dead signal to the ecu thus making it not start.

pulling the fuse may give it a different response. so perhaps if you just pulled the fuse as it is now (unlocked) it may start?

DCspartan09 01-24-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2128991)
your saying yours died while in the unlocked position?

chances are that when it is dying, its giving a dead signal to the ecu thus making it not start.

pulling the fuse may give it a different response. so perhaps if you just pulled the fuse as it is now (unlocked) it may start?

Correct. Parked it while running out to lunch, came back...wouldn't turn to ACC/ON/START. Saw the little key light come on, tried putting the keyfob in the fobgina..no go. Walked over to walmart, replaced keyfob battery...no go. Got a jump from someone hoping the 10-20 degree weather over last couple days lead to a car battery issue...after jump, no go. Still the little orange key light on.

However...the steering wheel IS unlocked, and i can turn the wheels. Moved them fully from one side to the other, didn't lock either. Definitely going to try and remove the fuse myself tomorrow morning if I have time before work, or ask the dealer to try it first..but after finding 2 other examples of this in the last 40 pages of this thread...didn't seem like pulling the fuse worked...ugh..FML.

Baer383 01-24-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DCspartan09 (Post 2129012)
Correct. Parked it while running out to lunch, came back...wouldn't turn to ACC/ON/START. Saw the little key light come on, tried putting the keyfob in the fobgina..no go. Walked over to walmart, replaced keyfob battery...no go. Got a jump from someone hoping the 10-20 degree weather over last couple days lead to a car battery issue...after jump, no go. Still the little orange key light on.

However...the steering wheel IS unlocked, and i can turn the wheels. Moved them fully from one side to the other, didn't lock either. Definitely going to try and remove the fuse myself tomorrow morning if I have time before work, or ask the dealer to try it first..but after finding 2 other examples of this in the last 40 pages of this thread...didn't seem like pulling the fuse worked...ugh..FML.

pm in bound:hello:

bmarcinczyk14 01-24-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DCspartan09 (Post 2129012)
Correct. Parked it while running out to lunch, came back...wouldn't turn to ACC/ON/START. Saw the little key light come on, tried putting the keyfob in the fobgina..no go. Walked over to walmart, replaced keyfob battery...no go. Got a jump from someone hoping the 10-20 degree weather over last couple days lead to a car battery issue...after jump, no go. Still the little orange key light on.

However...the steering wheel IS unlocked, and i can turn the wheels. Moved them fully from one side to the other, didn't lock either. Definitely going to try and remove the fuse myself tomorrow morning if I have time before work, or ask the dealer to try it first..but after finding 2 other examples of this in the last 40 pages of this thread...didn't seem like pulling the fuse worked...ugh..FML.

My guess is the steering lock did in fact fail, which is why the vehicle will not start, the PCM basically knows it's not working right. Thank god it failed in the unlock position, I would pull the fuse and I bet she'll start right up.

HerOuji 02-04-2013 08:52 AM

This seems easy, but do I need to start the car before I take out the fuse? I'm asking this because when I turn it to acc or on position my steering wheel still cannot turn freely unless I started her. The wheel lock was JF000C.
Will it be safe to take out the fuse while the car is started?

Thanks

bmarcinczyk14 02-04-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HerOuji (Post 2146688)
This seems easy, but do I need to start the car before I take out the fuse? I'm asking this because when I turn it to acc or on position my steering wheel still cannot turn freely unless I started her. The wheel lock was JF000C.
Will it be safe to take out the fuse while the car is started?

Thanks

The steering wheel should move freely when in the ACC position, if not maybe the lock is starting to go bad? I'm not sure if it will be a issue removing the fuse with the car started.

HerOuji 02-04-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14 (Post 2146695)
The steering wheel should move freely when in the ACC position, if not maybe the lock is starting to go bad? I'm not sure if it will be a issue removing the fuse with the car started.

Hmm, I don't think it is starting to go bad because it was like that when I bought the car and the car still start normally.

bmarcinczyk14 02-04-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HerOuji (Post 2146731)
Hmm, I don't think it is starting to go bad because it was like that when I bought the car and the car still start normally.

You say you cant turn it freely when in the ACC position, and technically this is true because the power assist steering doesnt function until the car is started. The steeeing lock is more than likely still being disengaged, so double check this. You should also be able to hear the lock disengaging the second you go into ACC. Just use some muscle and try to turn the tires back and forth to confirm it is in the unlocked position.

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HerOuji 02-04-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14 (Post 2146811)
You say you cant turn it freely when in the ACC position, and technically this is true because the power assist steering doesnt function until the car is started. The steeeing lock is more than likely still being disengaged, so double check this. You should also be able to hear the lock disengaging the second you go into ACC. Just use some muscle and try to turn the tires back and forth to confirm it is in the unlocked position.

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Thanks for the info bro.

bmarcinczyk14 02-04-2013 02:24 PM

Anytime! :tup:

USINC97 02-04-2013 04:15 PM

Ordered the Steering Lock Bypass cable on Saturday 2/2/13. It was delivered today.

Now that is service. Thank you.

VCuomo 02-06-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HerOuji (Post 2146688)
This seems easy, but do I need to start the car before I take out the fuse? I'm asking this because when I turn it to acc or on position my steering wheel still cannot turn freely unless I started her. The wheel lock was JF000C.
Will it be safe to take out the fuse while the car is started?

Thanks

You don't need to start the car, just have it in ACC when you pull the fuse. Here is a complete set of steps to follow: http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1775597

R0bDC 02-06-2013 06:18 PM

Can I take out the steering lock completely? Is it essential for the car to work, if people are disabilig the steering lock it doesn't seem like It evens needs to be in the car.

Baer383 02-06-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo (Post 2151154)
You don't need to start the car, just have it in ACC when you pull the fuse. Here is a complete set of steps to follow: http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1775597

The car needs to be on before you pull the fuse:tiphat:

tonybui 02-08-2013 08:50 PM

Video doesn't work... Anyone has a pic of where the fuse is?

Baer383 02-08-2013 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tonybui (Post 2156082)
Video doesn't work... Anyone has a pic of where the fuse is?

There is a whole bunch of pics and directions somewhere in the beginning of the thread.

USINC97 02-10-2013 01:35 PM

Installed the SL bypass. No problems noted. Car starts in the same manner. I did not notice any additional lag time.

USINC97 02-10-2013 01:37 PM

Rear fog light will be my next project.

Baer383 02-10-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by USINC97 (Post 2158008)
Installed the SL bypass. No problems noted. Car starts in the same manner. I did not notice any additional lag time.

I'm glad your problem was fixed with a bypass wire,but you post it on a removing the fuse thread.
Anyway congrats :tiphat:

LMBmikeZ 02-10-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2158024)
I'm glad your problem was fixed with a bypass wire,but you post it on a removing the fuse thread.
Anyway congrats :tiphat:

:iagree: I am just glad it is one less Z driver that might have got stranded otherwise

Isamu 02-10-2013 01:51 PM

AK just had the steering lock happen... we should help him

LMBmikeZ 02-10-2013 01:54 PM

Mu are you being serious? AK of all people :shakes head:

Baer383 02-10-2013 02:04 PM

If anything we should make fun of him for knowing better :bowrofl:

Isamu 02-10-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 2158054)
Mu are you being serious? AK of all people :shakes head:

yea, but he has the extended warranty so he should be covered

LMBmikeZ 02-10-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2158072)
If anything we should make fun of him for knowing better :bowrofl:

:iagree::rofl2:

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 2158080)
yea, but he has the extended warranty so he should be covered

that's good to hear :tup: hopefully he does on of the 3 fixes once it is replaced, it would suck to have it happen more then once....

VCuomo 02-10-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2151192)
The car needs to be on before you pull the fuse:tiphat:

I believe it just needs to be in ACC mode. At least I'm pretty sure that's how I did mine... Although ON, but not started, works too.

Baer383 02-10-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo (Post 2158259)
I believe it just needs to be in ACC mode.

UHH!! I started this thread:hello:

VCuomo 02-10-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2158261)
UHH!! I started this thread:hello:

Yes you did - thank you! :)

TripleBlkZ 02-11-2013 10:24 PM

Has the lock issue happen to any roadsters yet? Just curious only been seen coupes affected by ths.

Baer383 02-12-2013 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleBlkZ (Post 2160718)
Has the lock issue happen to any roadsters yet? Just curious only been seen coupes affected by ths.

I don't know for sure but I'm sure it has.

alcheng 02-12-2013 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleBlkZ (Post 2160718)
Has the lock issue happen to any roadsters yet? Just curious only been seen coupes affected by ths.

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2160901)
I don't know for sure but I'm sure it has.


whatever it has a steering lock, built prior first half of 2011.

Highsider9 02-12-2013 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleBlkZ (Post 2160718)
Has the lock issue happen to any roadsters yet? Just curious only been seen coupes affected by ths.

Yes it has. Had it fail in my 2011 Roadster.

bmarcinczyk14 02-12-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleBlkZ (Post 2160718)
Has the lock issue happen to any roadsters yet? Just curious only been seen coupes affected by ths.

I can't see the roadster having a different steering lock unit than the coupes....therefore it will be prone to the same problems.

Osiris 02-18-2013 09:03 AM

ok, i'm not reading through all 43 pages to confirm this. But can someone confirm that in fact the car needs to be in ACC while the fuse is pulled? Is this so that the lock puts itself into the unlock position?

EDIT: silly me....first post on this page confirms it :rolleyes:

CDepp 02-18-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2160901)
I don't know for sure but I'm sure it has.

Yep, this magnificent Z Roadster rolled up on the flatbed with the issue as I was getting some things taken care of on my coupe.:
http://www.the370z.com/members/cdepp...0976-image.jpg


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