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scgolfer7 11-11-2012 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2011025)
I'm glad you didn't get stuck,sometimes a smack will do it.

Yeah I was quite lucky. I purchased this car a month ago and luckily I got the fix to work, $500 is a steep fix. Thanks again.

Baer383 11-11-2012 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scgolfer7 (Post 2011108)
Yeah I was quite lucky. I purchased this car a month ago and luckily I got the fix to work, $500 is a steep fix. Thanks again.

NP:tiphat:

Schizogen 11-16-2012 02:59 PM

Would anyone happen to know if this, or the 'cut the wire' fix work on an Altima with an identical problem? Try as I might, I can seem to find no easy fixes for it, yet I find multiples for the 370Z.. Any help or a point in the right direction would be highly appreciated

Baer383 11-16-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Schizogen (Post 2019383)
Would anyone happen to know if this, or the 'cut the wire' fix work on an Altima with an identical problem? Try as I might, I can seem to find no easy fixes for it, yet I find multiples for the 370Z.. Any help or a point in the right direction would be highly appreciated

I'm not sure if it will work on a Altima but I would pull the fuse before I cut the wire.

dthem370 11-19-2012 02:49 AM

just pulled out my fuse yesterday. car is working great!

SouthArk370Z 11-23-2012 10:59 AM

Re: My earlier post in this thread

I do occasionally get the delay between pressing the start button and the engine cranking. It doesn't happen very often and I have not been able to identify any pattern.
Someone reported that pulling the fuse affected passenger airbag function - maybe the two are related. I can't recall if I had a passenger when I got the delays.

Baer383 11-23-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 1859929)
okay this was untrue. I just got back from dealer he says my airbag is fine. The light is not supposed to stay on while driving it is only supposed to light up a moment during start to show the airbag is off. He says this is new to the Z the older Nissans had the light stay on.

:icon14:

Anyhow sorry if I confused anyone.

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2029593)
Re: My earlier post in this thread

I do occasionally get the delay between pressing the start button and the engine cranking. It doesn't happen very often and I have not been able to identify any pattern.
Someone reported that pulling the fuse affected passenger airbag function - maybe the two are related. I can't recall if I had a passenger when I got the delays.


Read this

SouthArk370Z 11-23-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2029622)
Read this

You have dashed my only hope of figuring out the delay. Thanks alot! :p
I do appreciate you pointing it out. I missed that when I was scrolling through the replies. Here's a real one: Thanks!

I'd still like to know why the delay and, especially, why not every time? :confused: Maybe someone will come up with an answer some day. <heavy sigh>

daisuke149 11-23-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2029673)
You have dashed my only hope of figuring out the delay. Thanks alot! :p
I do appreciate you pointing it out. I missed that when I was scrolling through the replies. Here's a real one: Thanks!

I'd still like to know why the delay and, especially, why not every time? :confused: Maybe someone will come up with an answer some day. <heavy sigh>

I got the delay when i would hit the start button really quick while my door was still shutting. Only time i ever noticed it happen.

SouthArk370Z 11-23-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2030010)
I got the delay when i would hit the start button really quick while my door was still shutting. Only time i ever noticed it happen.

hmmmm I sometimes reach over and hit the start button while closing the door but haven't noticed if I get the door closed before I hit the button. It would make sense, since the door ajar switch and the steering lock unit are all part of the security system. I will have to investigate. Thanks for the info.
I'm going to the dealer for an oil change tomorrow, maybe one of the mechanics can shed some light.

Edit: Just tried it with the door open and no delay on four starts.

oly370z 11-26-2012 03:10 PM

steering lock failure
 
So i have a quick question about this fix. Mine went bad completely, but i got the new part from the dealership and they said i could plug it in a disable it and than bring it back to them. Will the fuse fix work if i disable it with the working part in and than once disabled throw my old one back in? Trying to avoid the cost of the part.

Baer383 11-26-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oly370z (Post 2033936)
So i have a quick question about this fix. Mine went bad completely, but i got the new part from the dealership and they said i could plug it in a disable it and than bring it back to them. Will the fuse fix work if i disable it with the working part in and than once disabled throw my old one back in? Trying to avoid the cost of the part.

As long as your old one is in the unlock position,if it is then you shouldn't need the new part.you can remove the fuse as it is in the unlock position if it is not then you will have to get the new one installed then pull the fuse and leave the new steering lock in the car.

rudi 11-26-2012 03:27 PM

Is there a poll for this issue anywhere?

Baer383 11-26-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rudi (Post 2033958)
Is there a poll for this issue anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of ,I didn't put one in this thread.

rudi 11-27-2012 08:19 PM

A poll on who has the steering lock issue could be valuable for convincing Nissan to do something. Can someone do this?

Baer383 11-27-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rudi (Post 2035978)
A poll on who has the steering lock issue could be valuable for convincing Nissan to do something. Can someone do this?

They won't do anything that's why some of the 11's don't have it and none of the 12's or 13's have it.

LMBmikeZ 11-27-2012 08:25 PM

Do everyone a favor, file a complain and force a recall
https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/Vehicl...nt/index.xhtml

originally posted by cossie1600 in this thread
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ailure-18.html


I would suggest more people try this way of getting the point across, they can't deny it if all the complaints are formal :tup:

LMBmikeZ 11-27-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2035985)
They won't do anything that's why some of the 11's don't have it and none of the 12's or 13's have it.

:iagree: they don't want to do anything but if enough of us complain formally like you were suggesting in the other thread then they may actually be forced to put out a recall or at least a TSB.

Baer383 11-27-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 2035989)
:iagree: they don't want to do anything but if enough of us complain formally like you were suggesting in the other thread then they may actually be forced to put out a recall or at least a TSB.

When I tried to get mine they were on restricted order,I ask the parts guy what that means he said usually that there is a problem with a part so Nissan freezes all sales of the part to use them as warranty replacements so they don't have to order any more from the manufacture that makes them.
But he also said that it won't be a recall.

LMBmikeZ 11-27-2012 08:42 PM

^^ but he's a parts guy not a guy at corp he doesn't really know....... IMO

Plus if there is enough problems with them then legally they will required to resolve the problem. Another reason why we need more formal complaints!

Baer383 11-27-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 2036011)
^^ but he's a parts guy not a guy at corp he doesn't really know....... IMO

Plus if there is enough problems with them then legally they will required to resolve the problem. Another reason why we need more formal complaints!

He has been working @ Nissan for 14 years I'd say he knows enough.

LMBmikeZ 11-27-2012 08:55 PM

he knows enough sure but he has nothing to do with making the call to do a TSB or a recall

mayday813 11-27-2012 09:49 PM

I found a Technical Service Bulletin about this that provides the affected VIN's of Nissan vehciles. The reference is NTB12-041 that was dated April 27, 2012.

LMBmikeZ 11-27-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mayday813 (Post 2036095)
I found a Technical Service Bulletin about this that provides the affected VIN's of Nissan vehciles. The reference is NTB12-041 that was dated April 27, 2012.

:tup: nice find! I want to look at it but I'm on my mobile for now, but will definitely check it when back at my comp.

Footloose301 12-01-2012 10:12 AM

Need to do this today.

Baer383 12-01-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mayday813 (Post 2036095)
I found a Technical Service Bulletin about this that provides the affected VIN's of Nissan vehciles. The reference is NTB12-041 that was dated April 27, 2012.

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 2036102)
:tup: nice find! I want to look at it but I'm on my mobile for now, but will definitely check it when back at my comp.

If you guys would just go ck to see if you have the fuse then you have a steering lock,it would be quicker to see if you have the fuse(which means you have one)instead of all of this wasted research.

Footloose301 12-01-2012 01:42 PM

Done. Took about 5 minutes. The passenger airbag light if off though. I think I remember somebody on here saying something about an airbag light.

Baer383 12-01-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301 (Post 2041865)
Done. Took about 5 minutes. The passenger airbag light if off though. I think I remember somebody on here saying something about an airbag light.

It has nothing to do with the airbag light!

Footloose301 12-01-2012 01:54 PM

I didn't think so. Just reporting my findings.

Thanks:tup:

Baer383 12-01-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301 (Post 2041877)
I didn't think so. Just reporting my findings.

Thanks:tup:

Read this post you may learn something,

http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...ml#post1859929

Footloose301 12-01-2012 02:39 PM

...rather harsh

Baer383 12-01-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301 (Post 2041923)
...rather harsh

Not harsh just you are like 100 person that has said that or pm me about it so hopefully other people will read this and not ask.

It's nothing personal:hello:

BHR-370z 12-02-2012 05:34 AM

New Findings
 
I have already replaced my steering lock unit last year :shakes head:

However, I think that the same problem is re-occurring again.... and I think that there are some early indications that area leading me to conclude that the same problem is about to re-occur and I would like to share these concerns with you guys:

[1] I keep having some throttle problems: Sometimes the "check engine" icon is one and I experience up-normal throttle (750/950 RPM),

[2] The A/C: sometimes the A/C unit just turn "ON" for no reason !!!! this is really strange, and

[3] The "Key" icon: sometimes the KEY icon turns "ON" for no reason also - because I remember that few days before my car stopped working the key icon was appearing regularly.

Guys, is there any link between these items ??? I have linked my conclusions to the manual photo which was posted by (GaleForce) :confused: Because the 10A fuse location #48 which is feeding the steering lock relay is located in the center between (a) the A/C Relay fuse and (b) the Throttle Relay. Is there ant possibility that an electrical problem (whatsoever) affect the surrounding Relays????

I would much appreciate someone to help me on this matter.
thanks

LMBmikeZ 12-02-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2041709)
If you guys would just go ck to see if you have the fuse then you have a steering lock,it would be quicker to see if you have the fuse(which means you have one)instead of all of this wasted research.

I was actually referring to the TSB they were talking about that I wanted to go read through. I have had the bypass harness in my car ever since it was made available. I was the one who actually PM'd Brian (bdl99) @ the carkitcompany.com to see if he could make a harness for this problem so we didn't just have to cut the wire (pre pull the fuse days). In the end once it was ready I got one of his prototypes from the original 5 I think it was that he made. :tup: I just love checking back in this thread to see whats going on, plus to tell new members to fix that stupid f*cking P.O.S. ASAP! :rofl2:

red6spd 12-02-2012 10:55 AM

Intersting

weslmac 12-06-2012 02:58 AM

STEERING LOCK PROBLEM WITH US SPEC Z CAR IN JAPAN

OK, last night I go to get into my car and NOTHING happens I know nothing about this issue with the steering lock. Today I Google and locate all these issues you folks are having and assume this is what has happened to my 09 Z. So I left the car at the office and the next day still nothing. I searched Google and found that I should tap the lock to see if l unlocks so I tap the lock with the tire iron and the car started.

I immediately drive to CarRest (Nissan Car Dealer and repair shop in Zama, Japan) knowing I am in for a long afternoon trying to communicate as I know no Japanese's. My car is US spec and was unaware this was going to be such a big issue. I proceed to explain the situation to the gentleman as we use the internet to translate our conversation.

I am told that even though the Steering lock part number is the same they have no idea if the Japan spec part will work on the US spec car. So they proceed to contact the Nissan Factory to see what would need to be done to make these parts work. The diagnostic tool to reset the Security system is only for Japan spec cars not US.

So as I am trying to communicate a English speaking Japanese gentleman approaches and starts to assist in the conversation after some time I asked him if he worked at the dealership as he was wearing a Nissan uniform. He informed me that he was a production line diagnostic engineer from one of the Nissan factories.

To make a long story short I had him translate and asked if I could leave my car there until we could figure out how to fix this problem because I was not confident that I could get the car started again. Unfortunately CarRest said that was not an option so myself and the English speaking Japanese guy went outside so I could point to the fuse box as I wanted to disable the lock so that I could continue driving the car until a fix in found. I popped the hood of the car pointed to the fuse box and asked if I could just pull the steering lock fuse. He strongly advised me not to do this and crossed his arms telling me this is not an option. Obviously I have no idea why he advised me not to pull the fuse but he was very fast in his response and showed confidence in his knowledge so I did not question him any further on pulling the fuse.

Just wanted to share my story

Baer383 12-06-2012 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by weslmac (Post 2047686)
STEERING LOCK PROBLEM WITH US SPEC Z CAR IN JAPAN

OK, last night I go to get into my car and NOTHING happens I know nothing about this issue with the steering lock. Today I Google and locate all these issues you folks are having and assume this is what has happened to my 09 Z. So I left the car at the office and the next day still nothing. I searched Google and found that I should tap the lock to see if l unlocks so I tap the lock with the tire iron and the car started.

I immediately drive to CarRest (Nissan Car Dealer and repair shop in Zama, Japan) knowing I am in for a long afternoon trying to communicate as I know no Japanese's. My car is US spec and was unaware this was going to be such a big issue. I proceed to explain the situation to the gentleman as we use the internet to translate our conversation.

I am told that even though the Steering lock part number is the same they have no idea if the Japan spec part will work on the US spec car. So they proceed to contact the Nissan Factory to see what would need to be done to make these parts work. The diagnostic tool to reset the Security system is only for Japan spec cars not US.

So as I am trying to communicate a English speaking Japanese gentleman approaches and starts to assist in the conversation after some time I asked him if he worked at the dealership as he was wearing a Nissan uniform. He informed me that he was a production line diagnostic engineer from one of the Nissan factories.

To make a long story short I had him translate and asked if I could leave my car there until we could figure out how to fix this problem because I was not confident that I could get the car started again. Unfortunately CarRest said that was not an option so myself and the English speaking Japanese guy went outside so I could point to the fuse box as I wanted to disable the lock so that I could continue driving the car until a fix in found. I popped the hood of the car pointed to the fuse box and asked if I could just pull the steering lock fuse. He strongly advised me not to do this and crossed his arms telling me this is not an option. Obviously I have no idea why he advised me not to pull the fuse but he was very fast in his response and showed confidence in his knowledge so I did not question him any further on pulling the fuse.

Just wanted to share my story

He advised you not to pull the fuse b/c all dealers only fix cars by replacing parts and do not bother to look outside the box to solve problems I should know I worked at a dealer as a mech.

You should have asked him why and if he knew what he was talking about he would be able to explain himself so obviously he couldn't.

daisuke149 12-06-2012 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by weslmac (Post 2047686)
STEERING LOCK PROBLEM WITH US SPEC Z CAR IN JAPAN

OK, last night I go to get into my car and NOTHING happens I know nothing about this issue with the steering lock. Today I Google and locate all these issues you folks are having and assume this is what has happened to my 09 Z. So I left the car at the office and the next day still nothing. I searched Google and found that I should tap the lock to see if l unlocks so I tap the lock with the tire iron and the car started.

I immediately drive to CarRest (Nissan Car Dealer and repair shop in Zama, Japan) knowing I am in for a long afternoon trying to communicate as I know no Japanese's. My car is US spec and was unaware this was going to be such a big issue. I proceed to explain the situation to the gentleman as we use the internet to translate our conversation.

I am told that even though the Steering lock part number is the same they have no idea if the Japan spec part will work on the US spec car. So they proceed to contact the Nissan Factory to see what would need to be done to make these parts work. The diagnostic tool to reset the Security system is only for Japan spec cars not US.

So as I am trying to communicate a English speaking Japanese gentleman approaches and starts to assist in the conversation after some time I asked him if he worked at the dealership as he was wearing a Nissan uniform. He informed me that he was a production line diagnostic engineer from one of the Nissan factories.

To make a long story short I had him translate and asked if I could leave my car there until we could figure out how to fix this problem because I was not confident that I could get the car started again. Unfortunately CarRest said that was not an option so myself and the English speaking Japanese guy went outside so I could point to the fuse box as I wanted to disable the lock so that I could continue driving the car until a fix in found. I popped the hood of the car pointed to the fuse box and asked if I could just pull the steering lock fuse. He strongly advised me not to do this and crossed his arms telling me this is not an option. Obviously I have no idea why he advised me not to pull the fuse but he was very fast in his response and showed confidence in his knowledge so I did not question him any further on pulling the fuse.

Just wanted to share my story

pull the fuse yourself...

Footloose301 12-06-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2047758)
pull the fuse yourself...

This.

weslmac 12-06-2012 10:01 PM

Not being argumentitive here. I was just shareing my experience as others may want to know.

Baer383 just wanted to clerify that he was not connected to the dealership and he did not work for the shop. He overheard our conversation and offered to help with the translation. He was wearing a Nissan uniform and I asked him if he worked for CarRest and that is when I learned he worked at the Nissan production plant.

The discussion about the fuse was outside with only me and my new english speaking friend. This was after I was informed by the dealer that I could not leave my car at the shop. Our discussion was solely based on the fact that I was not comfertable shutting the car off as I didnt know if it would start again. We were discssing ways to disable this lock so that I could use my car until this situation with the lock is resolved trying to avoid a very expensive tow fee. It was in his professional opinion as a Nissan Production Line Diagnostic Engeneer to not pull the fuse. He made it very clear that by pulling the fuse other problems may arrise.

I didnt need any additional information and I was OK with what he said. Why would I question a guy who takes time out of his day to volunteer to help me? I suppose I sould put more confidence in a post on a forum from someone I dont know. Again my belief is this forum is for informational purposes and I apreciate all the information that has been provided on this topic as of 48 hours ago I was not aware of this issue.

At least now I can make an educated decision.


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