Seriously?

red6spd · 05-08-2012, 06:17 PM

Wow cant believe I did not see this post earlier. Its sad that a new guy on the forum has got the feeling that most people hate the Z. But I do agree, there are way to many Z owners... And past Z owners that complain about the most stupid stuff. I know at 17k my Z is still a baby but I have not had one issue that everyone complains about. Oil Consumption Nope! Rough clunky noisy (apart from the throw out bearing rattle) tranny NOPE! Fuel starvation on the street NOPE! High oil temps Nope (most I ever got before the cooler was 260) Maybe if I ever sell my Z it will be worth money because its the only good one Nissan made I guess?

red6spd · 05-08-2012, 06:19 PM

Oh and dont mention anything that needs to be looked up via google or a car mag. Because then you will just be told that is all fake info and its much different on the street or some BS lame excuse.

Zoren 370 · 05-08-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Maybe if I ever sell my Z it will be worth money because its the only good one Nissan made I guess?

but Crossing my fingers behind.

Waiz · 05-08-2012, 06:25 PM

I'm sorry OP, I am so distracted from your avatar I can't concentrate enough to read your first post

gomer_110 · 05-08-2012, 07:37 PM

I'll agree with you OP. The only thing I can say is that it seems that we do have a lot of whiners here. Sometimes I wonder why the fuel starvation problem is still an issue. Maybe it's the engineer in me but I would have thought that by now someone on here, especially the guys that track their Z's, would have figured out a solution to the problem.

Also as far as the NVH complaints all I can say is it's a sports car not a luxury car. Maybe that's just because I've never had a BMW M3, etc. but when I think sports car I don't expect quiet and smooth.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-08-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

I'll agree with you OP. The only thing I can say is that it seems that we do have a lot of whiners here. Sometimes I wonder why the fuel starvation problem is still an issue. Maybe it's the engineer in me but I would have thought that by now someone on here, especially the guys that track their Z's, would have figured out a solution to the problem.

Also as far as the NVH complaints all I can say is it's a sports car not a luxury car. Maybe that's just because I've never had a BMW M3, etc. but when I think sports car I don't expect quiet and smooth.

I won't even elaborate on this cuz I know I will be pullin' many a skirt up if I do. Lol

jpritche · 05-08-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Wow cant believe I did not see this post earlier. Its sad that a new guy on the forum has got the feeling that most people hate the Z. But I do agree, there are way to many Z owners... And past Z owners that complain about the most stupid stuff. I know at 17k my Z is still a baby but I have not had one issue that everyone complains about. Oil Consumption Nope! Rough clunky noisy (apart from the throw out bearing rattle) tranny NOPE! Fuel starvation on the street NOPE! High oil temps Nope (most I ever got before the cooler was 260) Maybe if I ever sell my Z it will be worth money because its the only good one Nissan made I guess?

If you take the advice of gsxr750, and drive your car like it is supposed to which is WOT 100% of the time I guarantee you will have oil consumption, fuel starvation, and high oil temps.

But seriously, we don't hate the Z. Forums are for people to come to and find out the pros and cons of the Z. Most car enthusiasts know what the pros of the Z are, but how many people actually know the problems that it actually has. No, not everyone is going to have all of these problems, but there have been enough cases of each of these individual problems that we feel that everyone needs to know about it.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-08-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I said I hope you don't hit fuel starve and end up being stranded on the side of the road like I did. It isn't hard to hit fuel starve given the poor design on the Nissan. And no, you can do it without having to break the speed limit as I have done. I don't have to be a Nissan fanboy because I have owned other vehicles and can be objective about things. Also as much as I love my car, the car is full of little problems that can be cure with a simple fix at the factory or design table. Yet Nissan continues to ignore the problem and have their owners foot their bill. (Hello steering lock!) Is it as bad as owning an Audi or a Chevy, probably not? At the same time, it is not a perfect vehicle that some of you guys perceive it to be.

I do 100% agree with you that the car gives a lot of performance for the buck. You are absolutely right that some parts are strictly on the owners if they wish to track their vehicle (pads/brake duct/oil cooler). Yet you have items like the steering lock, abs ice mode and fuel pump design that should have be addressed to begin with. They are all potential safety hazard, so not sure why Nissan refused to address it. Well I understand why because I dealt with them in the past on other vehicles, let's just say I now understand why I paid so little for my Z cars and so much for my Mercedes.

Did you really have to downgrade to a nissan 370z to understand the quality differences thru price difference between, mercedes and nissan??? And if you were benz'in it up? Why not just go porsche cayman and/lotus??? See comments like that one take validity away from a very valid post. I feel your pain and agony with this issue. I'd hate to suffer it. But truth is, you are one of EXTREMELY FEW, normal driving incidents. And automatically you feel. If we haven't had it happen its because we drive in a way to prevent it or we drive in a fashion unbefitting of a sports car. Just accept it hasn't happened to us. There's no FANBOYISM or LACK of EXPERIENCE behind not having experiencing it. Some guys either just got lucky? (Possibly me) MAYBE an extreme situation like yours is a freak occurance??? But either way, Nissan should address this issue due to its catastrphic level. But even Ferrari 458 italia suddenly combusted for nearly 18 months. Yes issues are at least being resolved by ferrari.

But like I said. Go to the dealer. Rant to them for a fix. And get forum backing. I'm sure your Z brothers will do what they have to... tell them about the severity of the issue and you are ready to contact a lawyer. Most recalls happen by someone contacting a lawyer. Whenever there is a possible threat for class action is when they get crackin' You know this right??? (Which I suggest). Just complaining to fellow Z owners won't get the issue resolved.

cossie1600 · 05-08-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

I'll agree with you OP. The only thing I can say is that it seems that we do have a lot of whiners here. Sometimes I wonder why the fuel starvation problem is still an issue. Maybe it's the engineer in me but I would have thought that by now someone on here, especially the guys that track their Z's, would have figured out a solution to the problem.

Also as far as the NVH complaints all I can say is it's a sports car not a luxury car. Maybe that's just because I've never had a BMW M3, etc. but when I think sports car I don't expect quiet and smooth.

Given most 370z owners don't even realize they have a problem (see most responses), how do you expect shops to spend money fixing it. Nissan can easily fix it with a small revision with the gas tank or fuel pump bracket, they just choose not to.

NYBladeZ · 05-09-2012, 12:59 AM

The oil cooler and oil heat issue has been well documented, there is no reason to dispute that it exists, if you want to drive hard for a continued period of time not just a highway cruise, but auto x or track duty you will need an oil cooler, I live in NY and I needed one without a doubt. The transmission is clunky but it is not significantly noticeable when driving at speed, more on bogged down daily normal driving but its there against, indisputable. The stock Z doesn't sound good, I thought it did once upon a time and then I re-worked the entire exhaust, boy I didn't know what I was missing. Only after reverting back to stock did I realize how unsatisfactory the stock exhaust note was. Road noise, yeah that's expected in the car, should not be a surprise to anyone. Brakes, damn good bite and see durable but once again will not hold up to high level of auto x or track use, you will boil the brake fluid, lack of cooling is an issue but not for the usual consumer.

The Z is a great car and I by no means went onto a more "comfortable" car after the Z, so I can't comment on the comfort and luxury gripes. I do believe the Z has a better than average interior and cockpit design. All in all, for most aggressive street drivers you won't need much, track duty/auto x you'll need a few things, daily drivers can enjoy themselves as is.

Huck · 05-09-2012, 01:06 AM

My Z isn't a GTR.

I'm taking it back.

nismochiq · 05-09-2012, 02:15 AM

ahh the best way to put it...complain about the people that complain...really?

frost · 05-09-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nismochiq

ahh the best way to put it...complain about the people that complain...really?

I blame the media-blamers.

05-08-2012, 06:17 PM	#61 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	Wow cant believe I did not see this post earlier. Its sad that a new guy on the forum has got the feeling that most people hate the Z. But I do agree, there are way to many Z owners... And past Z owners that complain about the most stupid stuff. I know at 17k my Z is still a baby but I have not had one issue that everyone complains about. Oil Consumption Nope! Rough clunky noisy (apart from the throw out bearing rattle) tranny NOPE! Fuel starvation on the street NOPE! High oil temps Nope (most I ever got before the cooler was 260) Maybe if I ever sell my Z it will be worth money because its the only good one Nissan made I guess? __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

05-08-2012, 06:19 PM	#62 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	Oh and dont mention anything that needs to be looked up via google or a car mag. Because then you will just be told that is all fake info and its much different on the street or some BS lame excuse. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

05-08-2012, 07:37 PM	#65 (permalink)
gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	I'll agree with you OP. The only thing I can say is that it seems that we do have a lot of whiners here. Sometimes I wonder why the fuel starvation problem is still an issue. Maybe it's the engineer in me but I would have thought that by now someone on here, especially the guys that track their Z's, would have figured out a solution to the problem. Also as far as the NVH complaints all I can say is it's a sports car not a luxury car. Maybe that's just because I've never had a BMW M3, etc. but when I think sports car I don't expect quiet and smooth. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

05-09-2012, 12:59 AM	#70 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	The oil cooler and oil heat issue has been well documented, there is no reason to dispute that it exists, if you want to drive hard for a continued period of time not just a highway cruise, but auto x or track duty you will need an oil cooler, I live in NY and I needed one without a doubt. The transmission is clunky but it is not significantly noticeable when driving at speed, more on bogged down daily normal driving but its there against, indisputable. The stock Z doesn't sound good, I thought it did once upon a time and then I re-worked the entire exhaust, boy I didn't know what I was missing. Only after reverting back to stock did I realize how unsatisfactory the stock exhaust note was. Road noise, yeah that's expected in the car, should not be a surprise to anyone. Brakes, damn good bite and see durable but once again will not hold up to high level of auto x or track use, you will boil the brake fluid, lack of cooling is an issue but not for the usual consumer. The Z is a great car and I by no means went onto a more "comfortable" car after the Z, so I can't comment on the comfort and luxury gripes. I do believe the Z has a better than average interior and cockpit design. All in all, for most aggressive street drivers you won't need much, track duty/auto x you'll need a few things, daily drivers can enjoy themselves as is. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

05-09-2012, 01:06 AM	#71 (permalink)
Huck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cocoa, Florida Age: 42 Posts: 5,075 Drives: Pantydropper machine Rep Power: 33	My Z isn't a GTR. I'm taking it back. __________________ VLEDS \| Evo-R \| Moddiction \| CF Hood Struts \| F.I. CF CBE & LTH \| Stillen CAI \| NST Pulleys \| UpRev \| Z1 \| M7 \| Status \| Forgestar \| PSS \| Whiteline \| SPL \| SPC \| Kenwood \| Zenclosure \| Kicker \| Alpine Type R

05-08-2012, 06:25 PM	#64 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	I'm sorry OP, I am so distracted from your avatar I can't concentrate enough to read your first post

05-09-2012, 02:15 AM	#72 (permalink)
nismochiq Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 296 Drives: Hard Rep Power: 15	ahh the best way to put it...complain about the people that complain...really? __________________