Addons from Dealer?

Graybullet · 08-27-2009, 01:36 PM

The dealer is still trying to sell me this Teflon treatment (something 5 system) and a rust prevention device that hooks up to your battery. They said these are a MUST, especially in Hawaii (saltwater and extreme bird poop). Anyone have experience with either products?

bullitt5897 · 08-27-2009, 01:42 PM

No but GL

p.s. We here in Ga dont have extreme bird poop... we have just regular ol' bird poopy

510z · 08-27-2009, 01:42 PM

the rust prevention thing has been around forever. the theory is that since rust is electrons leaving the iron by electrifying the car the electrons wont leave. ive never heard if it actually works. I didnt think people still did it.

SlikNik · 08-27-2009, 01:44 PM

They are all a waste of money dude, don't buy anything extra. When you pick up your car give it a good coat of a quality wax. I like Meguiar's NXT tech wax. Every 3 months or 6 if you are not that picky, give your car a claybar treatment and then recoat with a wax again. Your finish will always look new.

Those add-ons are only there to increase the dealer profit.

Lug · 08-27-2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 510z

the rust prevention thing has been around forever. the theory is that since rust is electrons leaving the iron by electrifying the car the electrons wont leave. ive never heard if it actually works. I didnt think people still did it.

I haven't heard of these types "services" in a couple of decades. No idea if the Hawaii angle is real or not. You could call other dealers and see if they offer such services so you at least know if it's common.

Hi-TecDesigns · 08-27-2009, 02:03 PM

The "Teflon" thing is nothing more than a polymer wax. If you want a high-quality polymer wax, go with Zaino Brothers... <$75 will get you a kit that will have all you need to apply your own barrier, and the stuff is awesome (I easily go year or more between coats, and bird poop and sun-fried egg (don't ask) wipes off or rolls off in the rain).

The rust prevention thing is complete crap (take it from an electrical engineer with a partial background in (among many other things) materials). Rust is a chemical reaction between iron and oxygen (and is sped up by an electrolyte, such as water and road "salts"), creating a new substance. There is nothing you can hook up to the battery that will prevent such a reaction. The manufacturers of such devices are confusing rust with galvanic reactions, which depletes one of the materials via ion migration.

nogoodname · 08-27-2009, 02:05 PM

the little electrical current to prevent trust is used on boats mostly

Graybullet · 08-27-2009, 02:44 PM

"p.s. We here in Ga dont have extreme bird poop... we have just regular ol' bird poopy"
lol...yeah, supposedly people around here has poop rings etched in to their cars like water spots.

"They are all a waste of money dude, don't buy anything extra. When you pick up your car give it a good coat of a quality wax. I like Meguiar's NXT tech wax. Every 3 months or 6 if you are not that picky, give your car a claybar treatment and then recoat with a wax again. Your finish will always look new."

"The "Teflon" thing is nothing more than a polymer wax. If you want a high-quality polymer wax, go with Zaino Brothers... <$75 will get you a kit that will have all you need to apply your own barrier, and the stuff is awesome (I easily go year or more between coats, and bird poop and sun-fried egg (don't ask) wipes off or rolls off in the rain)."

Are either of these wax Zaino/NXT good for a vehicle parked outside 100% of the time or would I need something stronger to protect the paint?

-All thanks for the great responses. I figure it was a gimmick since I never heard of any of these when buying a car in CONUS.

2theextreme · 08-27-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

the little electrical current to prevent trust is used on boats mostly

Thats because boats lie all the time...what?

nogoodname · 08-27-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2theextreme

Thats because boats lie all the time...what?

u're such a doofus...

2theextreme · 08-27-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

u're such a doofus...

Oh man that was good!

nogoodname · 08-27-2009, 02:56 PM

and looking at ur avatar, it confirms the doofus factor.....LOL

ZCarMan · 08-27-2009, 03:58 PM

Selling the add on is where the dealerships make their money. Just know going in that you don't absolutely need them. If you still want them then go for it. At the end of the day its your money to spend as you please.

TacoZ · 08-27-2009, 04:29 PM

I would only get something that will prevent dings and dents from idiots who open their doors without looking. Can you tell I just got a door ding? I wouldn't be made if it was a rock from the road...but a door ding? Come on...

EVO_Killer · 08-27-2009, 05:10 PM

I work at a dealership as a business officer selling that "extra stuff" and its not all crap. I Diamond Kote my Nissan (polymer based) and love it. I also sell those rust protectors. The good ones come with sacraficial anodes made of Zinc. Those zinc strips will rust faster than any other metal on the car. The key to buying those products is to barter on the price. There is alot of markup. Should be able to buy Paint & Fabric & Rust protection for about $499. Most places will try to start at $1299.

08-27-2009, 01:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Graybullet Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Hawaii Posts: 82 Drives: 370Z Base/Sports Rep Power: 16	Addons from Dealer? The dealer is still trying to sell me this Teflon treatment (something 5 system) and a rust prevention device that hooks up to your battery. They said these are a MUST, especially in Hawaii (saltwater and extreme bird poop). Anyone have experience with either products?

08-27-2009, 01:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	No but GL p.s. We here in Ga dont have extreme bird poop... we have just regular ol' bird poopy __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

08-27-2009, 02:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hi-TecDesigns Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenelg, MD Posts: 146 Drives: 370 Rdstr AT7 BkChry Rep Power: 16	The "Teflon" thing is nothing more than a polymer wax. If you want a high-quality polymer wax, go with Zaino Brothers... <$75 will get you a kit that will have all you need to apply your own barrier, and the stuff is awesome (I easily go year or more between coats, and bird poop and sun-fried egg (don't ask) wipes off or rolls off in the rain). The rust prevention thing is complete crap (take it from an electrical engineer with a partial background in (among many other things) materials). Rust is a chemical reaction between iron and oxygen (and is sped up by an electrolyte, such as water and road "salts"), creating a new substance. There is nothing you can hook up to the battery that will prevent such a reaction. The manufacturers of such devices are confusing rust with galvanic reactions, which depletes one of the materials via ion migration. __________________ http://hi-tecdesigns.com/images/pict...on%20Small.gif 2000 S2000 Brickyard Red Metallic w/ Romanesque Crimson Kandy, custom everything else

08-27-2009, 05:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
EVO_Killer Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 157 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 17	I work at a dealership as a business officer selling that "extra stuff" and its not all crap. I Diamond Kote my Nissan (polymer based) and love it. I also sell those rust protectors. The good ones come with sacraficial anodes made of Zinc. Those zinc strips will rust faster than any other metal on the car. The key to buying those products is to barter on the price. There is alot of markup. Should be able to buy Paint & Fabric & Rust protection for about $499. Most places will try to start at $1299. __________________ 09 Nissan 370Z Magnetic Black Touring M6 Sport & Nav / Stillen CBE / Stillen Oil Cooler / Stillen Undercrank Pulley / Stillen G3 Intakes / JDM Tail Lights / Stillen Grounding Kit / Berk HFC / HKS Hipermax III Coil Overs / SPL Pro Rear Camber Arms / 19" Volk RE30 Machine Black / Bridgestone Potenza RE-11

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08-27-2009, 01:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
510z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 328 Drives: 09 370z Blue M6 Rep Power: 17	the rust prevention thing has been around forever. the theory is that since rust is electrons leaving the iron by electrifying the car the electrons wont leave. ive never heard if it actually works. I didnt think people still did it.

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SlikNik Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 294 Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51 Rep Power: 19	They are all a waste of money dude, don't buy anything extra. When you pick up your car give it a good coat of a quality wax. I like Meguiar's NXT tech wax. Every 3 months or 6 if you are not that picky, give your car a claybar treatment and then recoat with a wax again. Your finish will always look new. Those add-ons are only there to increase the dealer profit.

08-27-2009, 02:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	the little electrical current to prevent trust is used on boats mostly

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Graybullet Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Hawaii Posts: 82 Drives: 370Z Base/Sports Rep Power: 16	"p.s. We here in Ga dont have extreme bird poop... we have just regular ol' bird poopy" lol...yeah, supposedly people around here has poop rings etched in to their cars like water spots. "They are all a waste of money dude, don't buy anything extra. When you pick up your car give it a good coat of a quality wax. I like Meguiar's NXT tech wax. Every 3 months or 6 if you are not that picky, give your car a claybar treatment and then recoat with a wax again. Your finish will always look new." "The "Teflon" thing is nothing more than a polymer wax. If you want a high-quality polymer wax, go with Zaino Brothers... <$75 will get you a kit that will have all you need to apply your own barrier, and the stuff is awesome (I easily go year or more between coats, and bird poop and sun-fried egg (don't ask) wipes off or rolls off in the rain)." Are either of these wax Zaino/NXT good for a vehicle parked outside 100% of the time or would I need something stronger to protect the paint? -All thanks for the great responses. I figure it was a gimmick since I never heard of any of these when buying a car in CONUS.

08-27-2009, 02:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	and looking at ur avatar, it confirms the doofus factor.....LOL

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ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 26	Selling the add on is where the dealerships make their money. Just know going in that you don't absolutely need them. If you still want them then go for it. At the end of the day its your money to spend as you please.

08-27-2009, 04:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
TacoZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 319 Drives: 09 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 17	I would only get something that will prevent dings and dents from idiots who open their doors without looking. Can you tell I just got a door ding? I wouldn't be made if it was a rock from the road...but a door ding? Come on...