Former Z Owner's Rant about the 370z

NYBladeZ · 04-16-2012, 10:27 PM

I know this forum is visited by many prospective owners that can't help but continuously wonder what are the pros and cons of buying a 370z. I sold my Z this evening and before the sadness and longing are washed away by the fact that "its just a car" I want to share my 3 year experience. Before anyone goes ahead and flames me understand this, I modded the Z to the peak of its N/A power potential. I built the one and possibly only complete carbon fiber Z and I enjoyed the reaction is brought about. So here is my rant.

The Z is a great car but the tuning potential for N/A is underwhelming. Barring a crazy gain by the JUN Camshafts, you will not get 350whp from the Z with all bolt-ons and a tune, you might not even get 340whp. Now that doesn't mean that the car isn't fast, the balance considerable lightweight design help a lot. However, with that said, the Z will not catch an M3, a tuned Cayman S, a tune 135i/1M etc. etc. etc. Those wanting to be Street King, go forced induction but be ready to pony up $$$$.

Today is probably the first time in almost 2.5 years I drove a completely stock Z. Honestly, it felt like it wasn't mine anymore. A stock Z...its too soft. The exhaust tone is not as good as the 350z or Infiniti G and the torque, well its not neck snapping.

The Z is a nice sports car. It is meant for the more hardcore sports car fanatics, if you want luxury get a BMW or Infiniti. It will outperform the 135i in every aspect except a straight line. The best compliment I can pay a 370z is that it reminded me of Nissan's version of the e46 M3.

All in all, I will miss my Z but I will not get another one. It is a great car and had I kept it I surely would have spent a lot more $$$$ into forced induction especially a GTM twin S/C or TT setup. I will still be on the forum and still consider myself a Z expert, even if I am regulated to a Camry for the foreseeable future.

juicypinkkk · 04-16-2012, 10:59 PM

TBH, I suped up my past cars. This car is mainly my weekend cruising car. Not so much making my car a fart can tbh

nepali · 04-16-2012, 11:04 PM

To each their own! I am perfectly happy with the amount of power the Z offers. I am not into modding but if I ever go that route, the most I will probably do are just the bolt-ons. I have no need for TT or SC. As a DD, my stock Z is already enough, power-wise.

shadoquad · 04-16-2012, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nepali

To each their own! I am perfectly happy with the amount of power the Z offers. I am not into modding but if I ever go that route, the most I will probably do are just the bolt-ons. I have no need for TT or SC. As a DD, my stock Z is already enough, power-wise.

I couldn't agree with this post more, although I have intakes and may get a tune soon.

But I find the power offered by the Z is enough to enjoy on public roads, while offering tracking potential. But I know people who wish it had more power without needing FI.

NY, I'm glad you're sticking around.

MacLean · 04-16-2012, 11:19 PM

WOW...... I'm guessing you dropped some serious money to have an all out CF Z. So what exactly made you want to sale the Z? I know you can put the Z back to stock & sell it & sell the parts for a fraction of the price, but at least your making something off of it. In your honest opinion was it actually worth spending all that money modding the car & eventually selling it?

I am a little sad & hurt by hearing that " will not catch an M3, a tuned Cayman S, a tune 135i/1M etc. etc. etc." Psch..... Cayman S is weak, we need to talk about is the Cayman R....jk. I was hoping for a good run, but not racing of course......that is completely bad. I'm just bs here. Those cars are in a different league completely & only a fool would try something & even if there stock good luck with that (1M, M3......).

For me I am happy with my Nismo. Yeah I am going to put a full exhaust system that I am waiting to arrive middle of next month & will eventually put a CAI in. That will be it for me....HOPEFULLY & pretty sure about it. Yeah it is nice to see cars all fixed up (better them than me), but at what cost. If you get your ride totaled you are going to be stuck like chuck. You can try telling your insurance company that I have this much in the car & see if they will adjust the value & if so you will be paying more of a premium.

NYBladeZ · 04-16-2012, 11:29 PM

It was a lot of fun while it lasted I loved the total CF look, it wasn't for everyone but it was always a highlight of many of the NY Import Meets. My rant isn't about not getting $ back for the parts. Frankly, I made a good return but the sound of the Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers + GTHaus Meisterschaft exhaust was priceless.

It seems there are two classes of Z owners. The daily drivers who are happy with the well balance all around solid car and the tuners who always want more. I was in the later class.

MacLean · 04-16-2012, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

It was a lot of fun while it lasted I loved the total CF look, it wasn't for everyone but it was always a highlight of many of the NY Import Meets. My rant isn't about not getting $ back for the parts. Frankly, I made a good return but the sound of the Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers + GTHaus Meisterschaft exhaust was priceless.

It seems there are two classes of Z owners. The daily drivers who are happy with the well balance all around solid car and the tuners who always want more. I was in the later class.

Nice......very nice to hear that you made a good return. The exhaust that I am waiting for is the GTHaus Meisterschaft exhaust. I decided to go with all three sections. So if you had to-do it all over again would you do it again, & if so what would you do differenly?

Chteelers · 04-17-2012, 10:07 AM

I would argue that the reason there is little tuning potential is that Nissan did proper engineering to wring out every ounce of performance possible from the platform.
If a car has lots of HP that is easily accessible, that just means it wasn't designed as well as it could have been from the beginning.

Cmike2780 · 04-17-2012, 10:38 AM

I think the gripe is the amount of money you need to throw in for mods to see huge gains. I totally see your point, $1200 or more for an exhaust and seeing only 10hp-18hp can be a bit disappointing. I look at it this way though, the guys in the M3, Cayman, etc are probably shelling out a ton more $$$$ for mods. It's just the nature of most N/A cars that have been pretty much pushed near the limits out of the box. To be fair, the guys in the M3, Cayman etc, already 'paid' for the 'Street King' title when they bought the car. Cost wise, a TT 370z probably still comes out less expensive than an M3 or Cayman and will probably be faster. IMO the only way a N/A 370 is going to get over the 350hp mark(@ the wheels) is if they go with direct injection or crack the VVEL. Niether of which is happening anytime soon. You have it right though, and it really depends on how much money you want to spend and what you really use or want the car to be.

NYBladeZ · 04-17-2012, 10:38 AM

Tell the Mustang and Vette guys that they get huge bang for the buck on bolt ons. I think VVEL both maximizes gains and limits potential future gains. Fact of the matter is if you buy the Z and you are going into the purchase happy with the power then that's great. If you buy the Z and want to tune it and get more, well expect to pay big bucks. In comparison the Evo's, STi's, and n54 BMW's need far less and get far more because of their turbo setup. I still wouldn't take any of those cars though.

The only thing I would do differently is pick a very very very reliable installer for my headers. I don't want to say who I used as they have a reputation as a well to do shop but upon uninstall we found prolific amounts of liquid gasket which was a huge pain in the @$$ for my mechanic to remove.

Cmike2780 · 04-17-2012, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chteelers

I would argue that the reason there is little tuning potential is that Nissan did proper engineering to wring out every ounce of performance possible from the platform.
If a car has lots of HP that is easily accessible, that just means it wasn't designed as well as it could have been from the beginning.

Totally agree. Hypothetically, if I saw a 50whp gain by swapping out a few intake tubes, I would probably be going

Cmike2780 · 04-17-2012, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

Tell the Mustang and Vette guys that they get huge bang for the buck on bolt ons. I think VVEL both maximizes gains and limits potential future gains. Fact of the matter is if you buy the Z and you are going into the purchase happy with the power then that's great. If you buy the Z and want to tune it and get more, well expect to pay big bucks. In comparison the Evo's, STi's, and n54 BMW's need far less and get far more because of their turbo setup. I still wouldn't take any of those cars though.

Those two N/A engines have a lot of advatages from the get go. V8, larger displacement, larger aftermarket supplier sources, etc. If it comes down to cost, you either pay for it up front or during the build. You're already spending big bucks if you buy a vette for example. I think we can all agree an unlimited bank account would probably solve all our problems.

m4a1mustang · 04-17-2012, 10:57 AM

I think it's unrealistic to expect big bolt-on gains out of an N/A 3.7L V6. IMO, going from ~270whp stock to over 315 whp with bolt-ons is pretty strong from a motor this size.

If you really expect anything significantly beyond that you're just kidding yourself and should be getting a pushrod V8 (read: LS series) instead.

kenchan · 04-17-2012, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I know this forum is visited by many prospective owners that can't help but continuously wonder what are the pros and cons of buying a 370z. I sold my Z this evening and before the sadness and longing are washed away by the fact that "its just a car" I want to share my 3 year experience. Before anyone goes ahead and flames me understand this, I modded the Z to the peak of its N/A power potential. I built the one and possibly only complete carbon fiber Z and I enjoyed the reaction is brought about. So here is my rant.

The Z is a great car but the tuning potential for N/A is underwhelming. Barring a crazy gain by the JUN Camshafts, you will not get 350whp from the Z with all bolt-ons and a tune, you might not even get 340whp. Now that doesn't mean that the car isn't fast, the balance considerable lightweight design help a lot. However, with that said, the Z will not catch an M3, a tuned Cayman S, a tune 135i/1M etc. etc. etc. Those wanting to be Street King, go forced induction but be ready to pony up $$$$.

Today is probably the first time in almost 2.5 years I drove a completely stock Z. Honestly, it felt like it wasn't mine anymore. A stock Z...its too soft. The exhaust tone is not as good as the 350z or Infiniti G and the torque, well its not neck snapping.

The Z is a nice sports car. It is meant for the more hardcore sports car fanatics, if you want luxury get a BMW or Infiniti. It will outperform the 135i in every aspect except a straight line. The best compliment I can pay a 370z is that it reminded me of Nissan's version of the e46 M3.

All in all, I will miss my Z but I will not get another one. It is a great car and had I kept it I surely would have spent a lot more $$$$ into forced induction especially a GTM twin S/C or TT setup. I will still be on the forum and still consider myself a Z expert, even if I am regulated to a Camry for the foreseeable future.

well, good thing the car wasn't made just for you.

370Z in stock form is fine. it is quiet so an exhaust swap is probably a good idea for some folks. i really dont think the car was really made for youngsters looking for power. it's a coupe for the adult crowd who's kinda done with superchargers, turbos, ecu tuning, etc and just want a nice weekend fun car that runs well in stock/near stock form.

NYBladeZ · 04-17-2012, 11:01 AM

Its a beautiful day in NY, I miss the Fairlady

04-16-2012, 10:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Former Z Owner's Rant about the 370z I know this forum is visited by many prospective owners that can't help but continuously wonder what are the pros and cons of buying a 370z. I sold my Z this evening and before the sadness and longing are washed away by the fact that "its just a car" I want to share my 3 year experience. Before anyone goes ahead and flames me understand this, I modded the Z to the peak of its N/A power potential. I built the one and possibly only complete carbon fiber Z and I enjoyed the reaction is brought about. So here is my rant. The Z is a great car but the tuning potential for N/A is underwhelming. Barring a crazy gain by the JUN Camshafts, you will not get 350whp from the Z with all bolt-ons and a tune, you might not even get 340whp. Now that doesn't mean that the car isn't fast, the balance considerable lightweight design help a lot. However, with that said, the Z will not catch an M3, a tuned Cayman S, a tune 135i/1M etc. etc. etc. Those wanting to be Street King, go forced induction but be ready to pony up $$$$. Today is probably the first time in almost 2.5 years I drove a completely stock Z. Honestly, it felt like it wasn't mine anymore. A stock Z...its too soft. The exhaust tone is not as good as the 350z or Infiniti G and the torque, well its not neck snapping. The Z is a nice sports car. It is meant for the more hardcore sports car fanatics, if you want luxury get a BMW or Infiniti. It will outperform the 135i in every aspect except a straight line. The best compliment I can pay a 370z is that it reminded me of Nissan's version of the e46 M3. All in all, I will miss my Z but I will not get another one. It is a great car and had I kept it I surely would have spent a lot more $$$$ into forced induction especially a GTM twin S/C or TT setup. I will still be on the forum and still consider myself a Z expert, even if I am regulated to a Camry for the foreseeable future. shika805 likes this. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-16-2012, 10:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
juicypinkkk Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 162 Drives: 2012 Sprt 6MT 370z Rep Power: 14	TBH, I suped up my past cars. This car is mainly my weekend cruising car. Not so much making my car a fart can tbh UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

04-16-2012, 11:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
nepali Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 597 Drives: like a maniac! Rep Power: 15	To each their own! I am perfectly happy with the amount of power the Z offers. I am not into modding but if I ever go that route, the most I will probably do are just the bolt-ons. I have no need for TT or SC. As a DD, my stock Z is already enough, power-wise. Felix 808 and axmea? like this. __________________ '11 SR/6MT/T/S

04-16-2012, 11:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	It was a lot of fun while it lasted I loved the total CF look, it wasn't for everyone but it was always a highlight of many of the NY Import Meets. My rant isn't about not getting $ back for the parts. Frankly, I made a good return but the sound of the Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers + GTHaus Meisterschaft exhaust was priceless. It seems there are two classes of Z owners. The daily drivers who are happy with the well balance all around solid car and the tuners who always want more. I was in the later class. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-17-2012, 10:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I think the gripe is the amount of money you need to throw in for mods to see huge gains. I totally see your point, $1200 or more for an exhaust and seeing only 10hp-18hp can be a bit disappointing. I look at it this way though, the guys in the M3, Cayman, etc are probably shelling out a ton more $$$$ for mods. It's just the nature of most N/A cars that have been pretty much pushed near the limits out of the box. To be fair, the guys in the M3, Cayman etc, already 'paid' for the 'Street King' title when they bought the car. Cost wise, a TT 370z probably still comes out less expensive than an M3 or Cayman and will probably be faster. IMO the only way a N/A 370 is going to get over the 350hp mark(@ the wheels) is if they go with direct injection or crack the VVEL. Niether of which is happening anytime soon. You have it right though, and it really depends on how much money you want to spend and what you really use or want the car to be. axmea? likes this. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

04-16-2012, 11:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
MacLean A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,589 Drives: '12 GM Nismo # 0445 Rep Power: 16	WOW...... I'm guessing you dropped some serious money to have an all out CF Z. So what exactly made you want to sale the Z? I know you can put the Z back to stock & sell it & sell the parts for a fraction of the price, but at least your making something off of it. In your honest opinion was it actually worth spending all that money modding the car & eventually selling it? I am a little sad & hurt by hearing that " will not catch an M3, a tuned Cayman S, a tune 135i/1M etc. etc. etc." Psch..... Cayman S is weak, we need to talk about is the Cayman R....jk. I was hoping for a good run, but not racing of course......that is completely bad. I'm just bs here. Those cars are in a different league completely & only a fool would try something & even if there stock good luck with that (1M, M3......). For me I am happy with my Nismo. Yeah I am going to put a full exhaust system that I am waiting to arrive middle of next month & will eventually put a CAI in. That will be it for me....HOPEFULLY & pretty sure about it. Yeah it is nice to see cars all fixed up (better them than me), but at what cost. If you get your ride totaled you are going to be stuck like chuck. You can try telling your insurance company that I have this much in the car & see if they will adjust the value & if so you will be paying more of a premium.

04-17-2012, 10:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
Chteelers Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Charlotte Posts: 63 Drives: '11 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 13	I would argue that the reason there is little tuning potential is that Nissan did proper engineering to wring out every ounce of performance possible from the platform. If a car has lots of HP that is easily accessible, that just means it wasn't designed as well as it could have been from the beginning.

04-17-2012, 10:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Tell the Mustang and Vette guys that they get huge bang for the buck on bolt ons. I think VVEL both maximizes gains and limits potential future gains. Fact of the matter is if you buy the Z and you are going into the purchase happy with the power then that's great. If you buy the Z and want to tune it and get more, well expect to pay big bucks. In comparison the Evo's, STi's, and n54 BMW's need far less and get far more because of their turbo setup. I still wouldn't take any of those cars though. The only thing I would do differently is pick a very very very reliable installer for my headers. I don't want to say who I used as they have a reputation as a well to do shop but upon uninstall we found prolific amounts of liquid gasket which was a huge pain in the @$$ for my mechanic to remove. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling Last edited by NYBladeZ; 04-17-2012 at 10:41 AM.

04-17-2012, 10:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I think it's unrealistic to expect big bolt-on gains out of an N/A 3.7L V6. IMO, going from ~270whp stock to over 315 whp with bolt-ons is pretty strong from a motor this size. If you really expect anything significantly beyond that you're just kidding yourself and should be getting a pushrod V8 (read: LS series) instead. UNKNOWN_370 and 370Zsteve like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

04-17-2012, 11:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Its a beautiful day in NY, I miss the Fairlady __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

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