370Z May, 2009, sales lowest since launch......

tbonesteak · 06-08-2009, 09:50 PM

haha it seems like my "25" got quite a few people's attn. I'm glad it served its purpose well. My father owns a used car dealership but tons of people (including young guys and gals) come to him for new car advice as well because of his honesty. 25 is actually a VERY underestimated figure. Cheers fellas.

Modshack · 06-08-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

haha it seems like my "25" got quite a few people's attn. I'm glad it served its purpose well. My father owns a used car dealership but tons of people (including young guys and gals) come to him for new car advice as well because of his honesty. 25 is actually a VERY underestimated figure. Cheers fellas.

Robert_Nash · 06-08-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

...25 is actually a VERY underestimated figure.

It's probably more like 26 or 27 by now!

matt2112 · 06-08-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

Anyone have a list of # of Z's sold in Canada? or a link?

no response on this so far... i'd love to see these numbers too!

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Originally Posted by semtex

Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: Did I just get ripped off? What should I do?! Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

semtex, your posts are consistently among the best on this forum. kudos and +rep for repeated education, logic, and entertainment!!

Brazilbro · 06-08-2009, 11:43 PM

f- the oil temp issues, i just want my drivers seat to stay still..

tbonesteak · 06-09-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

reply of the year. period.

semtex · 06-09-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by matt2112

semtex, your posts are consistently among the best on this forum. kudos and +rep for repeated education, logic, and entertainment!!

Thanks, but I can't take credit. It's the Vicodin speaking. (just kidding)

Modshack · 06-09-2009, 11:05 AM

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reply of the year. period.

Errrrr...We were laughing AT you, not WITH you...

Take your Kill story back to the S2K kids forum and be a Hero..
I'd be insecure too if my car just went out of production..

tbonesteak · 06-09-2009, 06:06 PM

haha WE as in you and your imaginary friends i'm assuming. Tsk tsk quite an enthusiast you are. S2k has nothing to do with anything.

matt2112 · 06-09-2009, 06:18 PM

tbone: why anyone would chose to advertise the fact that they've convinced upwards of 25 people not to buy a car on a forum intended for use by fans of that vehicle is beyond me

modshack: if you don't believe his claim that's cool, but there's no need to be insulting... although, the S2K forum hero comment was funny (sorry tbone)

now lets move on, shall we?

Robert_Nash · 06-09-2009, 07:40 PM

This is ostensibly a forum for the Nissan 370Z and its enthusiasts and at least on most enthusiast's forums, members generally don't gleefully bash the car the forum members are supposed to be enthusiastic about.

Legitimate and constructive complaints, observations, etc. I would hope would be encouraged here. At the same time, cheering over low sales numbers (as if those doing so actually understand the numbers or the nuisances of new car sales) or someone bragging that they've personally convinced 25 people to not buy a 370 should at least, in my always humble opinion, be discouraged and, hopefully, be called out for being as childish and and short-sighted as they are.

Perhaps those who do such cheering and boasting would prefer that there were not a 370Z at all? If they keep it up perhaps they'll get their wish. I'm also certain (in fact I know all too well) that there are any number of enthusiasts forums out there who's members would like nothing better than to see the 370Z be a failure - perhaps one of those forums would be a better "fit" for those doing the cheering/bragging???

IDZRVIT · 06-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Well said Mr. Nash.

semtex · 06-09-2009, 09:09 PM

Robert, with all due respect, I think you're misrepresenting tbonesteak's views. You make it sound as though tbonesteak is a hater who is celebrating the low sales volume for the sake of fueling some misguided hate for the Z, when the truth of the matter is that he made his statement in direct reference to the hot oil issue. It's not like he wrote "Sales are down! Ha ha! Nyah Nyah!" He explicitly stated that he hopes "the reduction in sales is due to people finding out about the hot oil and holding off til Nissan fixes the prob." Likewise, you want to 'call him out' for being childish over his claim that he has discouraged 25 people from buying the Z, but you fail to mention/appreciate that his discouragement of others from purchasing the Z is directly tied to this hot oil issue. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're pulling his remarks out of context. Neglecting/omitting the context leaves one with the impression that he's out there talking people out of buying the Z in a contextual vacuum, i.e., he's doing it just for the heck of it, for no good or particular reason.

If we look at his post objectively, I think it's pretty plain that his motivation is in wanting Nissan Corporate to step up and fix what he perceives to be a legitimate problem. Now, I know some may argue that it's not a real problem, but that's neither here nor there. The salient point here is that, at least in my personal view, he's done what he's done (or claims to have done) with good intentions, not harmful ones. Indeed, you say that legitimate/constructive complaints should be encouraged. Well, the last time I checked, we were living in America, and in America, there's the saying that consumers vote with their wallets. If a company chooses not to do the right thing, they should suffer the consequences of lost sales. That's the consumer voting with his/her wallet. That's America and whatever remnants we have left of a free-market system working as it should. And that, in my opinion, is both legitimate and constructive.

Respectfully, just my

Robert_Nash · 06-09-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Robert, with all due respect, I think you're misrepresenting tbonesteak's views. You make it sound as though tbonesteak is a hater who is celebrating the low sales volume for the sake of fueling some misguided hate for the Z, when the truth of the matter is that he made his statement in direct reference to the hot oil issue. It's not like he wrote "Sales are down! Ha ha! Nyah Nyah!" He explicitly stated that he hopes "the reduction in sales is due to people finding out about the hot oil and holding off til Nissan fixes the prob." Likewise, you want to 'call him out' for being childish over his claim that he has discouraged 25 people from buying the Z, but you fail to mention/appreciate that his discouragement of others from purchasing the Z is directly tied to this hot oil issue. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're pulling his remarks out of context. Neglecting/omitting the context leaves one with the impression that he's out there talking people out of buying the Z in a contextual vacuum, i.e., he's doing it just for the heck of it, for no good or particular reason.

If we look at his post objectively, I think it's pretty plain that his motivation is in wanting Nissan Corporate to step up and fix what he perceives to be a legitimate problem. Now, I know some may argue that it's not a real problem, but that's neither here nor there. The salient point here is that, at least in my personal view, he's done what he's done (or claims to have done) with good intentions, not harmful ones. Indeed, you say that legitimate/constructive complaints should be encouraged. Well, the last time I checked, we were living in America, and in America, there's the saying that consumers vote with their wallets. If a company chooses not to do the right thing, they should suffer the consequences of lost sales. That's the consumer voting with his/her wallet. That's America and whatever remnants we have left of a free-market system working as it should. And that, in my opinion, is both legitimate and constructive.

Respectfully, just my

With equal respect you are making some assumptions and submitting facts not in evidence.

Let’s be clear; while tbonesteak is the only one who has laid claim to persuading 25 people not to buy a 370, he is not the only poster in this thread who has, motivations aside, seem to be pleased with what is perceived as a bad sales report nor was he the only person my comments were directed toward.

Speaking of motivations, unless you know him well/personally, I would suggest the you don’t know what his motivations are any more than I do; I can only go by what I read in his posts and the information he has posted about himself. To be blunt, I find it odd that he would feel compelled to encourage people to buy something other than a 370 because of a possible problem that, as a non-370Z owner, can't affect him.

I discuss my 370 with people all the time - I'm honest about what I like and don't like about my vehicle...I'm honest about the oil temp issue - I tell them what I know and let them make an informed decision and I certainly don't encourage them to buy something from another manufacturer.

As to the “hot oil issue”; I would submit that the only definitive statement one could make about it is that if a person is going to regularly track their car they need an engine oil cooler (as did the 350 for that matter and as would most vehicles). Beyond that, the problem seems to be very unpredictable and let’s be clear about this as well; all the “evidence” we have about the problem is circumstantial and anecdotal – I’ve seen nothing definitive about the issue…nothing based on scientific observation or testing done under controlled conditions. For that matter, I’ve not seen anything truly definitive even regarding the basic question of “how hot is TOO hot”!

So no, I don’t agree that I’m misrepresenting his words; their meaning seems pretty clear to me and they are…

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im hoping the reduction in sales is due to people finding out about the hot oil and holding off til Nissan fixes the prob. I know ive convinced ATLEAST 25 people who were about to pull the trigger NOT to buy this car and they went with another manufacturer instead. Word of mouth is very powerful and Nissan needs to learn that the consumers won't take care of them unless they care of us. I know i'm STILL holding off on buying the Z til the oil issue is fixed. I will continue to steer people away from purchasing this car. I want to try my best to help the current owners as well as future owners.

Encouraging people to buy from other manufacturers doesn’t sound to me as if he is encouraging people to “hold off” on buying a new Z nor does it sound to me as if he has Nissan’s or the 370’s best interest in mind. If is intentions are to encourage Nissan to “fix” what he believes is a problem one would think getting those 25 people to call Nissan customer service or to go to their Nissan dealer and explain why they aren’t buying a new 370 would be more effective.

This is still a (somewhat) free country and people have the right to badmouth the 370 or any other car to their heart's content - I wasn't questioning his "right" to say what he wants for whatever reason he wants. But, his right to do so doesn't negate my right to say that I believe his actions/words, even if well intentioned, are childish and short-sighted.

No…while not directed only at Mr. tbone, I stand by my earlier post. If that is offensive to anyone then I’m sorry.

06-09-2009, 07:40 PM	#71 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 17	This is ostensibly a forum for the Nissan 370Z and its enthusiasts and at least on most enthusiast's forums, members generally don't gleefully bash the car the forum members are supposed to be enthusiastic about. Legitimate and constructive complaints, observations, etc. I would hope would be encouraged here. At the same time, cheering over low sales numbers (as if those doing so actually understand the numbers or the nuisances of new car sales) or someone bragging that they've personally convinced 25 people to not buy a 370 should at least, in my always humble opinion, be discouraged and, hopefully, be called out for being as childish and and short-sighted as they are. Perhaps those who do such cheering and boasting would prefer that there were not a 370Z at all? If they keep it up perhaps they'll get their wish. I'm also certain (in fact I know all too well) that there are any number of enthusiasts forums out there who's members would like nothing better than to see the 370Z be a failure - perhaps one of those forums would be a better "fit" for those doing the cheering/bragging??? __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama - Last edited by Robert_Nash; 06-09-2009 at 07:46 PM.

06-09-2009, 09:09 PM	#73 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Robert, with all due respect, I think you're misrepresenting tbonesteak's views. You make it sound as though tbonesteak is a hater who is celebrating the low sales volume for the sake of fueling some misguided hate for the Z, when the truth of the matter is that he made his statement in direct reference to the hot oil issue. It's not like he wrote "Sales are down! Ha ha! Nyah Nyah!" He explicitly stated that he hopes "the reduction in sales is due to people finding out about the hot oil and holding off til Nissan fixes the prob." Likewise, you want to 'call him out' for being childish over his claim that he has discouraged 25 people from buying the Z, but you fail to mention/appreciate that his discouragement of others from purchasing the Z is directly tied to this hot oil issue. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're pulling his remarks out of context. Neglecting/omitting the context leaves one with the impression that he's out there talking people out of buying the Z in a contextual vacuum, i.e., he's doing it just for the heck of it, for no good or particular reason. If we look at his post objectively, I think it's pretty plain that his motivation is in wanting Nissan Corporate to step up and fix what he perceives to be a legitimate problem. Now, I know some may argue that it's not a real problem, but that's neither here nor there. The salient point here is that, at least in my personal view, he's done what he's done (or claims to have done) with good intentions, not harmful ones. Indeed, you say that legitimate/constructive complaints should be encouraged. Well, the last time I checked, we were living in America, and in America, there's the saying that consumers vote with their wallets. If a company chooses not to do the right thing, they should suffer the consequences of lost sales. That's the consumer voting with his/her wallet. That's America and whatever remnants we have left of a free-market system working as it should. And that, in my opinion, is both legitimate and constructive. Respectfully, just my __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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06-08-2009, 09:50 PM	#61 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	haha it seems like my "25" got quite a few people's attn. I'm glad it served its purpose well. My father owns a used car dealership but tons of people (including young guys and gals) come to him for new car advice as well because of his honesty. 25 is actually a VERY underestimated figure. Cheers fellas.

06-08-2009, 11:43 PM	#65 (permalink)
Brazilbro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,131 Drives: Juke/240Z Rep Power: 848	f- the oil temp issues, i just want my drivers seat to stay still..

06-09-2009, 06:06 PM	#69 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	haha WE as in you and your imaginary friends i'm assuming. Tsk tsk quite an enthusiast you are. S2k has nothing to do with anything.

06-09-2009, 06:18 PM	#70 (permalink)
matt2112 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 139 Drives: Mag Black 09 370z Rep Power: 16	tbone: why anyone would chose to advertise the fact that they've convinced upwards of 25 people not to buy a car on a forum intended for use by fans of that vehicle is beyond me modshack: if you don't believe his claim that's cool, but there's no need to be insulting... although, the S2K forum hero comment was funny (sorry tbone) now lets move on, shall we?

06-09-2009, 08:03 PM	#72 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 27	Well said Mr. Nash.