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Vaughanabe13 04-13-2012 12:25 PM

Fast start/acceleration in MT
 
Manual experts out there: What is the best way to do a fast start in the 370?

Please walk me through the process from a dead stop to 4th gear or so. Do you rev high and dump the clutch or is that bad like I've read? What rpm do you shift to 2nd? I know these are pretty basic questions but as you guys might know from my other posts, this is my first real MT and I'm still learning the ins and outs every day.

From my experience it seems like 2nd has the most power for acceleration but I've noticed that sometimes I will be going slow (10-15) and then when I try to floor it in second (i.e. getting to highway speed on a ramp) I don't get much power at all. Other times I will get a really nice "push you into the seat" stomach floating acceleration but I'm not sure what I was doing to get that feeling, exactly. Basically, I'm just trying to understand more about the car and the power bands, etc. I don't track my car, but I need to be able to hold my own from time to time (I'm not implying street racing - I don't do that). Suggestions?

bigdog1250 04-13-2012 12:36 PM

In order to achieve a fast launch you need two things: 1) to be in the power band, meaning you do need some revs ~3200 should do the trick 2) traction, you don't want to give so much power the wheels break loose.

Our cars make good high-end power, meaning that in the top of the rev range (5500rpm+) the car achieves its top HP figures while Torque peaks out a bit earlier and flattens out (find a dyno sheet on here and you'll see what i mean). So you don't really want to shift until you have hit the rev limiter since the power doesn't really drop off until about then.

The reason the car feels pokey in 2nd around 10-15mph is because you are around 1500rpm, and the engine is making a lot less HP/Torque in that range.

You should get up to the rev limiter in all gears if you are really trying to be quick.

Hope this helps :)

ZMan8 04-13-2012 12:37 PM

from my experience rev to about 3500-4000 rpm when engaging first. More rpm will get you more wheel spin, less will probably be not enough. I like to shift at 7000 into second....higher seems harder. after that shift around 7300 rpm in each gear. I would practice being smooth with the shifts to avoid excessive wheel spin.

kenchan 04-13-2012 12:52 PM

it's hard to say how i start cause my eyes aren't on the tach... but from the exhaust note i think she is around 3500-4000rpm as zman mentioned and with a quick smooth engagement i take off. if you hold rpm and dump the clutch it will net you nothing but tire spin, loud noise, teens cheering you on, honda's you weren't aware of crashing behind you into a tree, and youtube vid of you that you didnt take... :ugh2:

onzedge 04-13-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1660745)
it's hard to say how i start cause my eyes aren't on the tach... but from the exhaust note i think she is around 3500-4000rpm as zman mentioned and with a quick smooth engagement i take off. if you hold rpm and dump the clutch it will net you nothing but tire spin, loud noise, teens cheering you on, honda's you weren't aware of crashing behind you into a tree, and youtube vid of you that you didnt take... :ugh2:

HA! :icon18:

TerribleONE 04-13-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1660745)
it's hard to say how i start cause my eyes aren't on the tach... but from the exhaust note i think she is around 3500-4000rpm as zman mentioned and with a quick smooth engagement i take off. if you hold rpm and dump the clutch it will net you nothing but tire spin, loud noise, teens cheering you on, honda's you weren't aware of crashing behind you into a tree, and youtube vid of you that you didnt take... :ugh2:

:icon18::icon18: :iagree:

ZMan8 04-13-2012 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1660745)
it's hard to say how i start cause my eyes aren't on the tach... but from the exhaust note i think she is around 3500-4000rpm as zman mentioned and with a quick smooth engagement i take off. if you hold rpm and dump the clutch it will net you nothing but tire spin, loud noise, teens cheering you on, honda's you weren't aware of crashing behind you into a tree, and youtube vid of you that you didnt take... :ugh2:

:bowrofl:

Vaughanabe13 04-13-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 1660704)
from my experience rev to about 3500-4000 rpm when engaging first. More rpm will get you more wheel spin, less will probably be not enough. I like to shift at 7000 into second....higher seems harder. after that shift around 7300 rpm in each gear. I would practice being smooth with the shifts to avoid excessive wheel spin.

Excellent. Can you elaborate what you mean by "I would practice being smooth with the shifts to avoid excessive wheel spin"? I suppose I'm not very good at detecting wheel spin.

Also, what does the gas pedal do exactly when you are starting in first? Do I want to rev to 3500(ish) and hold it there for a second while I engage the clutch, and then floor it after clutch is engaged? Or is it more of a smooth motion the whole way with the throttle?

Vaughanabe13 04-13-2012 01:26 PM

Thanks guys, this is great info. I need to go practice.

onzedge 04-13-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13 (Post 1660868)
Excellent. Can you elaborate what you mean by "I would practice being smooth with the shifts to avoid excessive wheel spin"? I suppose I'm not very good at detecting wheel spin.

You will hear the wheelspin -- screeching.

ZMan8 04-13-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1660874)
You will hear the wheelspin -- screeching.

:iagree: engaging first you will be in one spot/moving slowly with your tire just spinning the whole time if you just "dump the clutch while revving high". 1-2, and maybe 2-3 shifts you will hear the "chrip", try to minimize the chirping and the jolt when shifting.

Mike Z 04-13-2012 02:08 PM

I found 3200 RPM to be a good spot to shift from first but its also important to consider how you release the clutch. If you just dump it, you will get tire spin. You need to release it with ease and at the same time give it the right amount of throttle, meaning don't just floor it from the start.

brucelidat 04-13-2012 02:10 PM

How much of this applies to an auto? I assume it's better to let the auto do the shifting for me since people say the auto has a lightly faster 0-60 time so the thing to nail would be the launch and traction. Any tips for us auto guys?

brucelidat 04-13-2012 02:25 PM

nm, reading the thread on it now.

TheGreatOne 04-13-2012 03:03 PM

Good thread,

I don't feel I've quite learned my Z's sweet spots yet, I think I do shift sometimes at too low of an RPM and thats why power isn't always consistent

and lol Kenchan :rofl2:


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