Nissan Consumer Affairs Oil Cooler Response

IDZRVIT · 06-07-2009, 07:17 PM

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This thread makes me sad.

On the contrary, I find it very entertaining. ModShack hit the nail on the head. Why are folks in here who don't own a Z bashing it and other sports cars? I challenge the martyrs to identify the PERFECT sports car currently available for a similar price? Then they can go hang out in that forum group and priase the hell out of it!

ChrisSlicks · 06-07-2009, 08:20 PM

For those that are on the fence I'll make it real simple. If you aren't planning to track the car, just buy it. The car will never go into limp mode on the street, stick to premium synthetic oil and it will handle the 260F you occasionally see in hard driving easily.

If you do track your car, well, you've got some tough choices to make. The 370Z is still the best value for money sports car out there, even with its shortcomings. Add the oil cooler and forget that you ever had a warranty, go to town with mods ... or pay $20K-$30K more for a real sports car.

Sardis · 06-07-2009, 09:56 PM

It's lame to bash, but I don't think people should be flamed for being on the fence. The gauge did not stop climbing past 260 on my test drive, and I do track. If Nissan handled the situation like BMW and fixed the issue and retroactively addressed the earlier buyers, I am sure nobody would complain having one of these put on by Nissan

zZSportZz · 06-07-2009, 10:01 PM

So after reading this post today, I was curious about the supposed temp issue so I decided to go out and test it myself on a hot day (was 90 degrees here in the shade). So I went out and beat on my car for a couple hours. It was a mixture of stop and go traffic with multiple red line runs mixed in from lights. I even cruised around in 4th at about 60 mph for a while. Beat on the car some more....couple more red line runs followed by traffic...and I could not get the temp to rise above ~250 degrees (give or take 5 degrees - could have reached 260) no matter how hard I tried. Limp mode was NOT happening.

So what this means to me, is there is no way in hell I will ever have the car go into limp mode unless I absolutely HAMMER (borderline destructive) on the car on a very very hot day. If tracking the car means I have to beat on the car more than I did today, I will never see the track. Moral of the story, IF you like to drive extremely hard on the street, you probably wont be hitting limp mode any time soon.

This post has the feel of "this car will go into limp mode unless you drive it like a grandma"...which couldn't be farther from the truth. The car performs as it should under street conditions in my opinion.

Anyways, just my two cents, take it for what its worth.

Edit: It could also be that my "driving hard" is not nearly as hard as someone elses hard

...but i doubt it.

bullitt5897 · 06-07-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zZSportZz

So after reading this post today, I was curious about the supposed temp issue so I decided to go out and test it myself on a hot day (was 90 degrees here in the shade). So I went out and beat on my car for a couple hours. It was a mixture of stop and go traffic with multiple red line runs mixed in from lights. I even cruised around in 4th at about 60 mph for a while. Beat on the car some more....couple more red line runs followed by traffic...and I could not get the temp to rise above ~250 degrees (give or take 5 degrees - could have reached 260) no matter how hard I tried. Limp mode was NOT happening.

So what this means to me, is there is no way in hell I will ever have the car go into limp mode unless I absolutely HAMMER (borderline destructive) on the car on a very very hot day. If tracking the car means I have to beat on the car more than I did today, I will never see the track. Moral of the story, IF you like to drive extremely hard on the street, you probably wont be hitting limp mode any time soon.

This post has the feel of "this car will go into limp mode unless you drive it like a grandma"...which couldn't be farther from the truth. The car performs as it should under street conditions in my opinion.

Anyways, just my two cents, take it for what its worth.

Edit: It could also be that my "driving hard" is not nearly as hard as someone elses hard

...but i doubt it.

You are definitely not driving near as hard as many members on here. The reason the oil temps rise is from engine braking... you know using the engine to decelerate instead of the brakes... I had my car go into limp mode on a 60 degree rainy day after about 20 min of hard driving... then again I push the car to the limits

ChrisSlicks · 06-07-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

You are definitely not driving near as hard as many members on here. The reason the oil temps rise is from engine braking... you know using the engine to decelerate instead of the brakes... I had my car go into limp mode on a 60 degree rainy day after about 20 min of hard driving... then again I push the car to the limits

I'm pretty sure that engine braking doesn't generate much heat, typically the fuel is cut in full lift off which means no combustion.

zZSportZz · 06-07-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

You are definitely not driving near as hard as many members on here.

You mean like the 5 people that post over and over who track their car? I would tend to agree with you on that one. I don't know how I could have beat on it any harder on the street and not end up in jail or dead

Modshack · 06-07-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

I had my car go into limp mode on a 60 degree rainy day after about 20 min of hard driving... then again I push the car to the limits

My buddy witnessed you on the track that day. He said you were pretty fast but also said he was glad he wasn't your insurance agent.....

alan93rsa · 06-07-2009, 10:37 PM

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My buddy witnessed you on the track that day. He said you were pretty fast but also said he was glad he wasn't your insurance agent.....

The joys of modern electronics!

mspeasl · 06-07-2009, 10:57 PM

Gang,

Is this a 370 problem only or was it there on the 350 also? Oh we don't know, is that the answer? Why don't we know? I'll bet I may have the answer? The 350 didn't have an Oil Temp Gage and the 370 does. If that is the answer then I have a solution for the over heating problem on the 370? PUT SOME MASKING TAPE OVER THE GAGE SO YOU DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Problem solved............

Hang on a second so I can get my flame suit on. Okay, got it on so flame away.

ChrisSlicks · 06-07-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mspeasl

Gang,

Is this a 370 problem only or was it there on the 350 also? Oh we don't know, is that the answer? Why don't we know? I'll bet I may have the answer? The 350 didn't have an Oil Temp Gage and the 370 does. If that is the answer then I have a solution for the over heating problem on the 370? PUT SOME MASKING TAPE OVER THE GAGE SO YOU DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Problem solved............

Hang on a second so I can get my flame suit on. Okay, got it on so flame away.

You're largely right. The 350 did have an overheating problem but most people didn't know about it (there was no limp protection mode either). The 370 is a little worse, but it's not a new problem really. The oil temp gauge is making some people anxious, but I'm glad it's there. In both cases the overheating problem only exists in track like conditions.

FricFrac · 06-08-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

On the PR campaign, we had 500+ people this weeekend at the track for a track day as well as a Concorso sponsored by Ruf Porsche, I had the only 370z at the track which I parked in front of the paddack to ensure that questions would be asked and made myself available when I was not instructing on the track. I can not tell you the number of people that asked how I liked the car and I think you all know what the answer was.

It was very ironic that Nissan or the reviewers have picked to compare the 370 against the caymans the biggiest difference 370z sat on the paddack while a countless number of cayman's hit the track. (without any problems)

So I quess you really get what you pay for, $60,000 + a real manufacture that supports there product.

$32,000 + a nissan that can not even enter the the game

$80,000 + (GTR) a nissan that is capable but its daddy wont let it out to play.

I think I'd personally go for the $32K 370Z and another $400 for an oil cooler then buy a second 370Z as a garage queen or for spare parts for the same price as the Cayman....

VCuomo · 06-08-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by zZSportZz

...This post has the feel of "this car will go into limp mode unless you drive it like a grandma"...which couldn't be farther from the truth. The car performs as it should under street conditions in my opinion.

terrycs · 06-10-2009, 01:36 AM

After I read this thread, I switched the CAMP2 in my G35 to monitor the oil temp just to see what it would do. I managed to get it up to 230F on the fwy with occasional boost under 7 psi, but like the others have said, theres no way I'd push it any further unless I'm on a track. BTW ... the coolant temp stayed rock solid at 200F.

If you guys are driving it that hard, the car is being driven way outside what most owners will be doing. Just get the oil cooler. You may even want to consider a dry sump.

bullitt5897 · 06-10-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

My buddy witnessed you on the track that day. He said you were pretty fast but also said he was glad he wasn't your insurance agent.....

hahahaha yeah it was a fun wet track day lol!!! lets just say 60 degree windy weather I was hitting limp mode... LoL I was doing decent that day not my best but still good. I think my first session out on lil tally I ran in the mid teens and later in the day I was running low teens... the track was really wet and caused me to spin once I was running with no traction control sooo it was an interesting day trying to find traction while under power hehe

Every straight away the car would step out when power was applied we had a 135i there too with 400+hp and he had a hard time finding traction as well...

All in All it was a fun event!!! Ill give you a ride at the next one

Mike

06-07-2009, 08:20 PM	#107 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	For those that are on the fence I'll make it real simple. If you aren't planning to track the car, just buy it. The car will never go into limp mode on the street, stick to premium synthetic oil and it will handle the 260F you occasionally see in hard driving easily. If you do track your car, well, you've got some tough choices to make. The 370Z is still the best value for money sports car out there, even with its shortcomings. Add the oil cooler and forget that you ever had a warranty, go to town with mods ... or pay $20K-$30K more for a real sports car. Last edited by ChrisSlicks; 06-07-2009 at 10:05 PM.

06-07-2009, 10:01 PM	#109 (permalink)
zZSportZz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,095 Drives: 370z Blk on Blk 6MT Rep Power: 18	So after reading this post today, I was curious about the supposed temp issue so I decided to go out and test it myself on a hot day (was 90 degrees here in the shade). So I went out and beat on my car for a couple hours. It was a mixture of stop and go traffic with multiple red line runs mixed in from lights. I even cruised around in 4th at about 60 mph for a while. Beat on the car some more....couple more red line runs followed by traffic...and I could not get the temp to rise above ~250 degrees (give or take 5 degrees - could have reached 260) no matter how hard I tried. Limp mode was NOT happening. So what this means to me, is there is no way in hell I will ever have the car go into limp mode unless I absolutely HAMMER (borderline destructive) on the car on a very very hot day. If tracking the car means I have to beat on the car more than I did today, I will never see the track. Moral of the story, IF you like to drive extremely hard on the street, you probably wont be hitting limp mode any time soon. This post has the feel of "this car will go into limp mode unless you drive it like a grandma"...which couldn't be farther from the truth. The car performs as it should under street conditions in my opinion. Anyways, just my two cents, take it for what its worth. Edit: It could also be that my "driving hard" is not nearly as hard as someone elses hard ...but i doubt it. Last edited by zZSportZz; 06-07-2009 at 10:07 PM.

06-07-2009, 10:57 PM	#115 (permalink)
mspeasl Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Decatur, IL Posts: 367 Drives: Red M6 Sport/Touring Rep Power: 268	370 problem or was it there on the 350 also??? Gang, Is this a 370 problem only or was it there on the 350 also? Oh we don't know, is that the answer? Why don't we know? I'll bet I may have the answer? The 350 didn't have an Oil Temp Gage and the 370 does. If that is the answer then I have a solution for the over heating problem on the 370? PUT SOME MASKING TAPE OVER THE GAGE SO YOU DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Problem solved............ Hang on a second so I can get my flame suit on. Okay, got it on so flame away. __________________ Mspeasl - Central Illinois 2009 - Solid Red, M6 '370' Sport/Touring (Delivered 7 April 09)

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06-07-2009, 09:56 PM	#108 (permalink)
Sardis Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 72 Drives: EX Z Owner Rep Power: 16	It's lame to bash, but I don't think people should be flamed for being on the fence. The gauge did not stop climbing past 260 on my test drive, and I do track. If Nissan handled the situation like BMW and fixed the issue and retroactively addressed the earlier buyers, I am sure nobody would complain having one of these put on by Nissan

06-10-2009, 01:36 AM	#119 (permalink)
terrycs Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 123 Drives: 07 G35S Sedan Rep Power: 256	After I read this thread, I switched the CAMP2 in my G35 to monitor the oil temp just to see what it would do. I managed to get it up to 230F on the fwy with occasional boost under 7 psi, but like the others have said, theres no way I'd push it any further unless I'm on a track. BTW ... the coolant temp stayed rock solid at 200F. If you guys are driving it that hard, the car is being driven way outside what most owners will be doing. Just get the oil cooler. You may even want to consider a dry sump.