Originally Posted by FricFrac I think I'd personally go for the $32K 370Z and another $400 for an oil cooler then buy a second 370Z as a garage queen or
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06-10-2009, 05:08 PM | #121 (permalink) | |
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excellent point! it's actually sad that this is true... for the price of one cayman s, you can buy two 370s; void the warranty on one by installing an oil cooler which, as i understand it, will eliminate the limp mode issue and allow you to track the hell out of it, and then buy a second for daily driving where, as i understand it, the limp mode issue isn't an issue at all. so there you have it: one cayman s, or two 370s with essentially the same result (in the sense that you can track your car if you wish). this is, however, only a valid argument insofar as the 370z v. cayman point of view is concerned, but a valid (and quite funny) point nonetheless! +rep to fricfrac for being the first to mention the "2 for 1" |
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06-11-2009, 08:54 AM | #123 (permalink) |
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Filed complaints with BBB and the attorney generals office not that I really expect anything to happen, but I encourage everyone to take a little time and do the same. We need to make sure our voices are heard and not back down. Whether you need the oil cooler or not just based on principal we should have received the vehicle that was in the reviews or at the very least have the opportunity to purchase these parts without affecting the warranty.
It is interesting that Nissan will sell performance parts to the street crowd through the Nismo-S (parts that will not void warranties) brand and fault the owners who are responsible and want to take our car to the track where performance driving is taught and exercised in a very safe manner. So If read between the lines here I would say that Nissan is encouraging street racing and speeding out on public highways and back roads. (not that any of us would engage in such activity) Seems irresponsible to me. |
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06-11-2009, 09:11 AM | #125 (permalink) |
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Man, why not just ask for the oil cooler to be released. My friends, there are WAY worse things happening to a lot of other car brands that some of you would probably then have a heart attack over. I just found out a ton of the new turbocharged Subarus are blowing out their main engine bearings. (Within the first 4,000 miles of ownership.) They need brand new motors and the cars are gone for a couple of weeks. (They're handling it very well on their forums.) DFI German cars are having severe carbon problems because of design flaws that are just inherent. All we need is an oil cooler for a racetrack? I'll take our "problem." I'm just scratching the surface of problems with other companies.
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Nissan's position on it could be that the car does not require a better oil cooler, that "limp-mode" is there to protect the engine in the event that it is from "misuse". Nissan could say that changing the oil cooler indicates extensive misuse... |
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Sounds about right.
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06-21-2010, 10:56 PM | #130 (permalink) |
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To prevail with any claim that a product is defective, you must prove that a product did not conform to an "ordinary" buyer's expectation, and/or that the product was not fit for a buyers specific use. Under Common Law, you must prove a breach in either Merchantability (former), or Fitness For a Particular Purpose (latter).
I can state definitively that Nissan would have a big problem on their hands if the 370Z has oil temperature problems when driven in everyday conditions, in a manner that a reasonable, prudent person would drive it. Reasonable and prudent does not include tracking the car, with extreme speeds for prolonged periods of time in a manner that would not be expected by most owners. There is a significant difference between "spirited" driving on public roadways and dogging the hell out of the Z in track conditions. Most of us are not going to run our Z's at 75 mph in 4th or 5th gear for prolonged periods of time, or rev the engine to 6,000 rpms or higher for long periods of time or frequently. Nissan has never represented that the car can or should be driven on a racetrack. The fact that certain organizations have had access to a modified Z (oil coolers) on test tracks does not infer that a consumer can take their car and put it through the same operating conditions at the track. I do not see any indication that Nissan is guilty of unfair or deceptive trade practices. I only have about 700 miles on my 2010 370Z, so I am still in break-in mode, keeping the RPM's under 4,000 just as indicated in the Owners Manual. I drove my car for over an hour in Houston's heat last week...96 degrees and high humidity, and I had stop and go traffic and some wide open driving on the freeway where I got the car up to about 85 mph for a short period of time. The highest oil temp I hit was about 230 degrees. I will say that the engine gets really hot...hotter than any engine that I have ever seen, even after short periods of driving. This has not translated to oil temps over 230, and certainly not anywhere close to limp mode. If there is an oil temp problem that would be actionable with Nissan, it would have to result from a widespread problem during normal operating conditions. This is a sports car...this is not a race car. My 2 cents worth. |
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not sure what to think of all this but all u guys taking action i applaud you. If this results in a better covered/better built or better anything car then your efforts will not be in vain
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The 370Z and issues concerning overheating and oil cooler kits!
Hi All,
As a passionate new 370Z owner and after reading numerous treads and postings on these issues I felt obliged to say a few words on this heated issue! “lol” At the core of this debate is the meaning or the words "sports car" and what is the intended use of a “sports car.” Certainly, the insurance companies don’t seem to have any doubts on the meaning of a sports car and how these cars will be driven when they provide the insurance on a higher rate. The issue here, in my opinion, is how the Z cars are sold and promoted! On one hand Nissan says the Z cars were designed and built to directly compete against great sport cars like the Porsche’s Cayman and Boxer sports cars, and on the other hand they say there is no need for an oil cooler and will not warranty the car if you drive it any other way than "normal" day to day driving! This is certainly a contradiction. The apparent loophole used by Nissan, is that it will only warranty the Z for normal every day use, not for spirited driving, furthermore, it is not obliged to fix any overheating issues resulting from such type of driving! In essence Nissan suggest that there is no issue if you drive the car normally and views track driving as forfeiting the warranty. The real issue for me is not so much “tracking the car” type of driving or competition driving that concerns me, but I find it odd that it doesn’t even provide an oil cooler for their Nismo car that is designed and sold for the street version of a track car! Most intake and exhaust models increases power as well as heat. This begs the question, are these items a wise investment under these circumstance? This is a a company that won’t even acknowledge that it has a heating issue and therefore many dealers may be tempted to deny warranties as a result of the intake and exhaust additions. In my opinion, Nissan's biggest missteps have been....
I am hoping I have no issues since I truly feel Nissan does offers a great product at a good value. I would be greatly disappointed if the car doesn't perfrom to its expectations. That being said, thanks for reading my rant. It is only out of concern since I do enjoy driving my 370Z car! If I should have any issues on my trip , I will post exactly what happens and take appropriate actions to get the matter resolved! Please let me know your thoughts and opinions on this topic . Thanks , Alex
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