radar detector users encouraged to read this

Bonzo · 03-14-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Radar and laser dectors are really just junk electronic gagets. Currently none of them really work.

Radar detectors 25-30 yrs ago did help drivers and give them time to slow down, but with the advent of pulsed radar, K band and now laser & radar hand held instant on units. The cops will nail you every time.

Best way to avoid the tickets is to not speed to much over the speed limit, most cops will tolerate 5 mph over the limit, but start at 7-14mph over the cop will usually ticket you.

You have to rememeber that cops are really salesmen for the court system, the only reason for issueing speeding tickets is to generate revenue.

Recently there was a very informative example of how the cops around las vegas and california border set up speed traps on the SPEED CHANNEL. The cops described themselves as setting up like NAZI UBOATS in wolfpacks. One cop will clock the speeders and they will have 4-6 chash cars to go after them. In Nevada I see the cops setting up this trap all the time and often , they will have a cop stationed on a bridge overlooking the highway and having the case cars on the on ramps, where the on coming drivers never really see them till its to late.

Other tactic cops use is the stalking method, where they come up from behind you, slowly tailing you waiting for you to do someting wrong or speed up and turn on they radar or laser units for older models, that is why its always good to keep checking whats in your rear view mirror. Keeping an eye out for a MOVER or someone closing really fast on you from a far distance.

First of all, I'd like to quickly say that I totally disagree with EVERYTHING you say above. You have absolutely zero clue what you are talking about. None. Radar detectors totally work if you are smart enough to know how to use them as an AID, not as your weapon. But I digress and that is a topic for another thread. You want to steal this one, go ahead, but these radar detector threads always go bad. You and I will not agree, so no point derailing this thread. I'm done on this.

Now back on topic, where has everyone been for the last 50 years? Ticketing by air has been going on since at least the 60's, and I know that for a fact. My Mom took flying lessons with a cop back in the mid 60's and he used to tell her about it. My Dad got busted twice by air cops in the 70's, and I myself got nailed by it about 3 or 4 years ago on I-70 going to Columbus. I was under the impression that most of the time they use small planes, but I have also read that helicopters and blimps are used. Blimps make perfect sense because they travel so slowly and can easily carry more than just 2 or 3 people. In a blimp there could easily be 6-8 cops up there tracking cars all at the same time. It also allows the ground cops miles and miles to wait for you. They can stand along the side of the road and just point to cars as they pass to pull over. One ground cop can give 5 cars tickets boom boom boom, without ever even clocking them.

While I have seen signs along the road saying air speed enforcement area, they don't have those in Southwest Ohio. No signs, just the white marker lines every certain distance (like 1/4 or 1/2 mile or something like that) along the side of the road. You've all seen those, right? From what I know, they use the lines, their eyes, and a stop watch to see how fast you are going. If there is some new fancier device, then I am unaware of it. I'm sure with technology the way it is though, there is probably some I-phone app to do it for them instead.

I can't wait until there is an I-phone app that tells us drivers the exact location of cops with radars and police planes so we can slow down in advance.

Drex · 03-14-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Radar and laser dectors are really just junk electronic gagets. Currently none of them really work.

Radar detectors 25-30 yrs ago did help drivers and give them time to slow down, but with the advent of pulsed radar, K band and now laser & radar hand held instant on units. The cops will nail you every time.

Best way to avoid the tickets is to not speed to much over the speed limit, most cops will tolerate 5 mph over the limit, but start at 7-14mph over the cop will usually ticket you.

You have to rememeber that cops are really salesmen for the court system, the only reason for issueing speeding tickets is to generate revenue.

Recently there was a very informative example of how the cops around las vegas and california border set up speed traps on the SPEED CHANNEL. The cops described themselves as setting up like NAZI UBOATS in wolfpacks. One cop will clock the speeders and they will have 4-6 chash cars to go after them. In Nevada I see the cops setting up this trap all the time and often , they will have a cop stationed on a bridge overlooking the highway and having the case cars on the on ramps, where the on coming drivers never really see them till its to late.

Other tactic cops use is the stalking method, where they come up from behind you, slowly tailing you waiting for you to do someting wrong or speed up and turn on they radar or laser units for older models, that is why its always good to keep checking whats in your rear view mirror. Keeping an eye out for a MOVER or someone closing really fast on you from a far distance.

i find my radar detector protects me from speed cameras more than anything else these days (and there are a ton of those where i live). most cops in MD who are clocking speeders are using LIDAR (aka laser), and if your detector lights up for laser, you are already ******.

tonythetiger · 03-14-2012, 06:03 PM

thats lame :-(

Pauly · 03-14-2012, 06:05 PM

bonzo, im sure you are right. probably been going on for a long time. i dont speed enough to worry about it, but i rarely pay attention or get updated on worldly happenings, as they usually depress me and almost never affect me lol. well im glad most of you know about it. that was the purpose of my post. hope yall are driving safe anyway!

TerribleONE · 03-14-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Radar and laser dectors are really just junk electronic gagets. Currently none of them really work.

Radar detectors 25-30 yrs ago did help drivers and give them time to slow down, but with the advent of pulsed radar, K band and now laser & radar hand held instant on units. The cops will nail you every time.

Best way to avoid the tickets is to not speed to much over the speed limit, most cops will tolerate 5 mph over the limit, but start at 7-14mph over the cop will usually ticket you.

You have to rememeber that cops are really salesmen for the court system, the only reason for issueing speeding tickets is to generate revenue.

Recently there was a very informative example of how the cops around las vegas and california border set up speed traps on the SPEED CHANNEL. The cops described themselves as setting up like NAZI UBOATS in wolfpacks. One cop will clock the speeders and they will have 4-6 chash cars to go after them. In Nevada I see the cops setting up this trap all the time and often , they will have a cop stationed on a bridge overlooking the highway and having the case cars on the on ramps, where the on coming drivers never really see them till its to late.

Other tactic cops use is the stalking method, where they come up from behind you, slowly tailing you waiting for you to do someting wrong or speed up and turn on they radar or laser units for older models, that is why its always good to keep checking whats in your rear view mirror. Keeping an eye out for a MOVER or someone closing really fast on you from a far distance.

I dont agree with this at all either... My junk electronic gadget has saved me MANY times. However I do agree with bonzo that you have to use it as protection, not a weapon and still use your head when driving..

Bonzo · 03-14-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly

bonzo, im sure you are right. probably been going on for a long time. i dont speed enough to worry about it, but i rarely pay attention or get updated on worldly happenings, as they usually depress me and almost never affect me lol. well im glad most of you know about it. that was the purpose of my post. hope yall are driving safe anyway!

Thanks for the post, because frankly, I'm surprised by how many are already chiming in not knowing about this. If there are more our there, then now they'll know. So thanks for enlightening us all for different reasons, intentional or not.

Cheers!

Z_Girl · 03-14-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

wow, they need to catch A LOT of speeders to keep a blimp in the air just for speeding... lol wat a waste of money.

theDreamer · 03-14-2012, 06:15 PM

Bonzo, they already have the drunk driving zone one for the iPhone and I know of a few radar ones that are out there but not on a usable level yet. The main thing is getting data and being to overlay it on a useful map, but I do know this one is getting some buzz: App Store - RadarActive Speed Traps

theDreamer · 03-14-2012, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750

Radar and laser dectors are really just junk electronic gagets. Currently none of them really work.

Radar detectors 25-30 yrs ago did help drivers and give them time to slow down, but with the advent of pulsed radar, K band and now laser & radar hand held instant on units. The cops will nail you every time.

Best way to avoid the tickets is to not speed to much over the speed limit, most cops will tolerate 5 mph over the limit, but start at 7-14mph over the cop will usually ticket you.

You have to rememeber that cops are really salesmen for the court system, the only reason for issueing speeding tickets is to generate revenue.

Recently there was a very informative example of how the cops around las vegas and california border set up speed traps on the SPEED CHANNEL. The cops described themselves as setting up like NAZI UBOATS in wolfpacks. One cop will clock the speeders and they will have 4-6 chash cars to go after them. In Nevada I see the cops setting up this trap all the time and often , they will have a cop stationed on a bridge overlooking the highway and having the case cars on the on ramps, where the on coming drivers never really see them till its to late.

Other tactic cops use is the stalking method, where they come up from behind you, slowly tailing you waiting for you to do someting wrong or speed up and turn on they radar or laser units for older models, that is why its always good to keep checking whats in your rear view mirror. Keeping an eye out for a MOVER or someone closing really fast on you from a far distance.

Good info on the Speed Channel thing, but the rest of your post is actually very very wrong. There are numerous websites which test the radar detectors to see which ones do work. Many of them, the higher price ones, have shown to outdo many cop tactics, especially with GPS technology and full 360 degree awareness. Plus throw in the understanding of how k band and laser frequency work and you now have systems which rebound the signal in an unusable manner for the cop negating his ability to track your speed.

wheee! · 03-14-2012, 06:22 PM

mantella87 · 03-14-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Yes, this is very real.
It is not very common though, but if you are ever driving and see large white lines then it might be an area they do it.

Exactly. Pay attention to the sides of the road. If you see widely spaced, white lines, an operator in an aircraft can observe how long it takes your vehicle to travel from one line to the next. A simple calculation will decide your fate. Speed = distance/time. They've been using this for many years and on some roads there are even signs posted to warn you, although some may be fraudulent just to serve as a speeding-deterrent.

vividracing · 03-14-2012, 07:04 PM

I'm fairly certain that using aircraft and points marked on the road is considered entrapment.

Also, here in AZ the Dept of Public Safety (who runs Highway Patrol) has a whole fleet of what they call Radio Cars. The Radio Cars are everything from Chrysler Town n Country minivans to Crown Vic, Camry, 4Runner, and a few other random cars. These people just cruise around and radio in to regular patrol units when they see something. DPS also has a freaking Winnebago.

kenchan · 03-14-2012, 07:12 PM

plus relying on some guy up in the air (chopper, cesna, blimp, hot air balloon, 747) pushing a stop watch... how accurate can that be?

not very

vividracing · 03-14-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

plus relying on some guy up in the air (chopper, cesna, blimp, hot air balloon, 747) pushing a stop watch... how accurate can that be?

not very

Oh, you hadn't heard? Going to the police academy instantly makes you better at even the most mundane tasks!

Seriously though, I believe they have some sort of mechanism to account for that. I think they record your "speed" across multiple sets of markers, and average it. That should take out much of the "error".

ImportConvert · 03-14-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Radar and laser dectors are really just junk electronic gagets. Currently none of them really work.
I'm sorry you bought a Cobra, now lets move on...
Radar detectors 25-30 yrs ago did help drivers and give them time to slow down, but with the advent of pulsed radar, K band and now laser & radar hand held instant on units. The cops will nail you every time.
Only if they I/O you, and most cops are way too lazy unless they set up a neighborhood speed trap or something. On the highway, most of them can be spotted from miles in advance as they I/O other cars ahead of you. Your Cobra or whatever probably didn't catch this.
Best way to avoid the tickets is to not speed to much over the speed limit, most cops will tolerate 5 mph over the limit, but start at 7-14mph over the cop will usually ticket you.
I worked for a small town in Texas once. I saw NUMEROUS 2-3mph over tickets being paid.
You have to rememeber that cops are really salesmen for the court system, the only reason for issueing speeding tickets is to generate revenue.
Okay, we can agree.
Recently there was a very informative example of how the cops around las vegas and california border set up speed traps on the SPEED CHANNEL. The cops described themselves as setting up like NAZI UBOATS in wolfpacks. One cop will clock the speeders and they will have 4-6 chash cars to go after them. In Nevada I see the cops setting up this trap all the time and often , they will have a cop stationed on a bridge overlooking the highway and having the case cars on the on ramps, where the on coming drivers never really see them till its to late.
This is a pretty old tactic, but again, something other than a POS will pick up the I/O blips unless they are using LIDAR. Now LIDAR, that requires jamming.
Other tactic cops use is the stalking method, where they come up from behind you, slowly tailing you waiting for you to do someting wrong or speed up and turn on they radar or laser units for older models, that is why its always good to keep checking whats in your rear view mirror. Keeping an eye out for a MOVER or someone closing really fast on you from a far distance.Again, unless you are the only car on the road, you will pick up radar splash miles in advance.

Okay, let me educate you on what a REAL radar detector can do. Here is my V1 in action:

032 - YouTube

Valentine 1/HUD - YouTube

So...ditch your POS and get a real detector and your outlook might change.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	plus relying on some guy up in the air (chopper, cesna, blimp, hot air balloon, 747) pushing a stop watch... how accurate can that be? not very