radar detector users encouraged to read this

theDreamer · 03-15-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ccdominic

we have a lot of humps in our inner city highways so the cops like to sit at the bottom of the hump, and hit ya right as your coming over the humps. i assume the hump would block any hits from the radar, as well as blocking your view of them until the last second.

as a side note, i gotta wonder how well these air tickets would hold up in court.

With good radar detectors you get rebounds that occur, meaning they hit the car at the top of the hill and a few rebounds happen and someone behind might pick it up. With more modern laser technology there is much less, also because they aim for your front plate instead of any part of the car.

LukasC · 03-15-2012, 03:56 PM

Thats intense. I know here in san antonio tx there was a hellicopter that would run our loop hitting people but only when they are really desperate. The troopers here arnt the nicest in the world. Its hard to get off a ticket.

gsxr750 · 03-15-2012, 04:00 PM

Just visited one of the radar dector websites and they listed the effective range of the top of the line escort unit to be 1200 ft. or about 1/5th. of a mile. The cop basically already has you targeted, before you even know it.

This range of detection is a joke, with such a short range your basically going to be nailed almost every time by the cop setting up. If your doing 70-75 mph your going to cover that distance in only about 10-12 seconds, take into account human reaction time and having to slow down, results in beep "OH CRAP HE NAILED ME" .

In order to avoid detection you need to have the incoming signal being recieved at a far enough distance to avoid triggering the cops unit or pick up a signal bouncing off some other targeted car.

Your really need at least a 1/2 mile warning = 30 seconds minimum or hopefully a signal a mile away to really avoid getting ticketed.

TerribleONE · 03-15-2012, 04:03 PM

"one" of the websites...? I know my 9500I gives me more than 10-12 seconds... matter of fact most of the time its before I can even see the cop. (I have enough time to look all around me as the signal strength increases) or maybe I am just losing it and imagining it going off before it really did...?

ccdominic · 03-15-2012, 04:04 PM

my assumption is that something as expensive as the valentine one works or people wouldn't be buying em

ZMan8 · 03-15-2012, 04:04 PM

yeah i have had it go off sometimes over 1/2 mile away

theDreamer · 03-15-2012, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750

Just visited one of the radar dector websites and they listed the effective range of the top of the line escort unit to be 1200 ft. or about 1/5th. of a mile. The cop basically already has you targeted, before you even know it.

This range of detection is a joke, with such a short range your basically going to be nailed almost every time by the cop setting up. If your doing 70-75 mph your going to cover that distance in only about 10-12 seconds, take into account human reaction time and having to slow down, results in beep "OH CRAP HE NAILED ME" .

In order to avoid detection you need to have the incoming signal being recieved at a far enough distance to avoid triggering the cops unit or pick up a signal bouncing off some other targeted car.

Your really need at least a 1/2 mile warning = 30 seconds minimum or hopefully a signal a mile away to really avoid getting ticketed.

Please provide a source to where you read this "distance" number you acquired. I can throw out numbers also, but honestly it degrades the discussion. Valentine one does not give a direct range, but they rate they can double the distance of the next best radar (which is the escort 9500ix).

And yes, my V1 has gone off over 1/2 mile out many times.

theDreamer · 03-15-2012, 04:11 PM

And some quick reading the only place I could find 1200ft was for the traffic warning (speed traps, red light cameras, etc), I found the Escort 9500ix is rated a 1,200ft alert distance before arriving at a speed trap.

Edmunds Tech Test: Escort Passport 9500ix Radar and Laser Detector - Edmunds.com

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will give you an audible alert ("Caution — Speed Trap Ahead") 1,200 feet before you reach the location. Such an alert can easily mean the difference between complete rate-of-travel awareness and a momentarily lapse that results in a speeding ticket.

gsxr750 · 03-15-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Please provide a source to where you read this "distance" number you acquired. I can throw out numbers also, but honestly it degrades the discussion. Valentine one does not give a direct range, but they rate they can double the distance of the next best radar (which is the escort 9500ix).

And yes, my V1 has gone off over 1/2 mile out many times.

Heres the link read it and weep: Escort RedLine radar detector review

The plan facts about these detectors is that the companies that make the speed enforcement equipment, drop in tons of money into developing these units supplied to goverment agencies and if you think some tinny little $400 dash mounted unit will protect you, then your truly dreaming.

Most ppl should remember that the Myth Busters covered this a couple years ago and they proved that all the detectors, jammers were simply didn't provide enough warning to avoid getting nailed.

ZMan8 · 03-15-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Heres the link read it and weep: Escort RedLine radar detector review

The plan facts about these detectors is that the companies that make the speed enforcement equipment, drop in tons of money into developing these units supplied to goverment agencies and if you think some tinny little $400 dash mounted unit will protect you, then your truly dreaming.

Most ppl should remember that the Myth Busters covered this a couple years ago and they proved that all the detectors, jammers were simply didn't prvide enough warning to avoid getting nailed.

I think your missing the point of these tools. They are not meant to be you protection but just an aid to help you while you drive. I don't rely on a radar detector; I rely on my eyes/common sense and the radar detector is backup.

Mecinoid · 03-15-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ccdominic

my assumption is that something as expensive as the valentine one works or people wouldn't be buying em

All I know is my friend was about to lose his license because in his business he has to get there quick because it's 100's of thousands of dollars to his customers if he doesn't. He has a valentine one and it has saved him many times.... But, he has been caught still the same by pacing and aircraft technique as well as Lidar. They wait in the bushes (I've seen it), Lidar you, drive out behind you and pull you over. Generally, this is a motorcycle officer however, I have seen a squad car do this too.

I use the 10% rule... If I see any car I do not go over 10% faster than the speed limit unless I'm willing to get that ticket.

I do have a radar detector and it does help me with the photo / speed cameras. My GPS tells me the speed limit pretty accurately for a given area. So I don't get a ticket because I do not know the speed limit.

The last ticket I got was in a merge situation 50 in 45... Radar. This was over 10 years ago. The officer was sitting in left turn lane oposite direction. I had to speed up a little because this guy was not letting me in (squeezing me) and I was going to be forced to stop if I didn't... So, I speed up just enough to merge. The officer didn't care. Simple Speed Trap. That was before I bought the radar detector. Know what I know now and having a radar detector I would have still done the same thing out of fear of being rear ended by the the guy I was merging in front of or the guy right behind me trying to get over too.

Thank God for traffic school on that one. 0 points.

How much do I drive? Over 30K miles per year. I still believe your ticket allotment should be on how many miles you drive a year. Because the more you drive the more chance you have of getting a ticket.

Hope this helps someone.

theDreamer · 03-15-2012, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750

Heres the link read it and weep: Escort RedLine radar detector review

The plan facts about these detectors is that the companies that make the speed enforcement equipment, drop in tons of money into developing these units supplied to goverment agencies and if you think some tinny little $400 dash mounted unit will protect you, then your truly dreaming.

Most ppl should remember that the Myth Busters covered this a couple years ago and they proved that all the detectors, jammers were simply didn't prvide enough warning to avoid getting nailed.

Are you referring to the graph?
That graph is about photo (ie red light cameras), if you actually read the article you will find this sentence.

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We tested against conventional radar at a new desert site where the Escort RedLine delivered that world-record 14.17-mile radar-warning range against every type of radar

Are you referring to this episode? MythBusters (2004 season) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

gsxr750 · 03-15-2012, 04:35 PM

What most cops are using in pulse ka or laser which can only be detected about 1/2 mile away or less, that 14 mile reading was probably an old style instant on radar, which could be detected 3 miles away even with cheap $50 detectors and if you look youtube video they posted its a commercial, take it at its value with all the adds for boner pills, weight and hair loss treatments out there.

Its really hard to deny the results the Myth Busters got a few years ago, can you provide independent test data that reputes, their findings.

Heres another link to a guy that tested some of the detectors read what he had to say. http://www.bendover.com/gmtquestion....=5&fldAuto=304

theDreamer · 03-15-2012, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750

What most cops are using in pulse ka or laser which can only be detected about 1/2 mile away or less, that 14 mile reading was probably an old style instant on radar, which could be detected 3 miles away even with cheap $50 detectors and if you look youtube video they posted its a commercial, take it at its value with all the adds for boner pills, weight and hair loss treatments out there.

Its really hard to deny the results the Myth Busters got a few years ago, can you provide independent test data that reputes, their findings.

So you are referring to the link I provided to the MythBusters episode?

ZMan8 · 03-15-2012, 04:38 PM

myth busters didn't test radar detectors though...according to Dreamer's link....

03-15-2012, 04:00 PM	#63 (permalink)
gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 13	Just visited one of the radar dector websites and they listed the effective range of the top of the line escort unit to be 1200 ft. or about 1/5th. of a mile. The cop basically already has you targeted, before you even know it. This range of detection is a joke, with such a short range your basically going to be nailed almost every time by the cop setting up. If your doing 70-75 mph your going to cover that distance in only about 10-12 seconds, take into account human reaction time and having to slow down, results in beep "OH CRAP HE NAILED ME" . In order to avoid detection you need to have the incoming signal being recieved at a far enough distance to avoid triggering the cops unit or pick up a signal bouncing off some other targeted car. Your really need at least a 1/2 mile warning = 30 seconds minimum or hopefully a signal a mile away to really avoid getting ticketed. Last edited by gsxr750; 03-15-2012 at 04:02 PM.

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TerribleONE A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 10,203 Drives: WOT Rep Power: 5850	"one" of the websites...? I know my 9500I gives me more than 10-12 seconds... matter of fact most of the time its before I can even see the cop. (I have enough time to look all around me as the signal strength increases) or maybe I am just losing it and imagining it going off before it really did...? __________________ 638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI Build thread

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03-15-2012, 04:35 PM	#73 (permalink)
gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 13	What most cops are using in pulse ka or laser which can only be detected about 1/2 mile away or less, that 14 mile reading was probably an old style instant on radar, which could be detected 3 miles away even with cheap $50 detectors and if you look youtube video they posted its a commercial, take it at its value with all the adds for boner pills, weight and hair loss treatments out there. Its really hard to deny the results the Myth Busters got a few years ago, can you provide independent test data that reputes, their findings. Heres another link to a guy that tested some of the detectors read what he had to say. http://www.bendover.com/gmtquestion....=5&fldAuto=304 Last edited by gsxr750; 03-15-2012 at 04:41 PM.

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ZMan8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,844 Drives: 10 370z 40th M6 Rep Power: 659	myth busters didn't test radar detectors though...according to Dreamer's link.... __________________ 2010 370Z 40 Anniv., 6 MT \| Fast Intentions \| Swift Springs \| SPC \| Z1Motorsports \| JWM \| Redline Oils \| 35% Window Tint 2015 Mazda6 \| 370ZChicago: Chicago Area Cars & Coffee

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LukasC Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 664 Drives: 11 Stillen SC Bl M6 Rep Power: 17	Thats intense. I know here in san antonio tx there was a hellicopter that would run our loop hitting people but only when they are really desperate. The troopers here arnt the nicest in the world. Its hard to get off a ticket.

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ccdominic Track Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 615 Drives: Built LS1/T56 RX7 FD Rep Power: 15	my assumption is that something as expensive as the valentine one works or people wouldn't be buying em

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