VDC not very intrusive?

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Honestly if the only thing it did better was not restrict the throttle for so long and so reduced, I'd be okay with it, even on the track. It's just ridiculous that it lasts for literally seconds longer than it should.

That's the problem. It's basically like what you'd expect to see in a non-performance car. A sport tuned setting would be very nice to have. Something that lets you get wheel spin and lets you yaw the car out some, only intervening when you go too far... and even then it should do it smoothly.

ImportConvert · 03-14-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

VDC is definitely intrusive on the Z. Like others have mentioned if you get just enough slip to where it cuts in to intervene it will kill power for what seems like forever. As everyone knows there are times when a little bit of wheelspin or a little bit of a slide isn't a bad thing, but VDC seems to think otherwise.

What would have been nice is a standard setting and then a sport setting like what most cars are using these days.

Mine did not. It cut power by about 10-20% for a quarter second or so. Very nice on a slightly overzealous corner exit.

Streetlife · 03-14-2012, 09:59 AM

VDC is not too intrusive to me either, just another safety net when spirit driving on the public streets.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Mine did not. It cut power by about 10-20% for a quarter second or so. Very nice on a slightly overzealous corner exit.

It all depends on when/where/how you are driving. Most find it to be intrusive when driving hard, or driving rough. It won't be too invasive if you are not at the limit and driving smooth.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It all depends on when/where/how you are driving. Most find it to be intrusive when driving hard, or driving rough. It won't be too invasive if you are not at the limit and driving smooth.

This. Which means street driving should be unobtrusive for the most part. But there are situations where it becomes a PITA, like Mike mentioned earlier.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This. Which means street driving should be unobtrusive for the most part. But there are situations where it becomes a PITA, like Mike mentioned earlier.

Year model has to be considered. We know that nissan is forever tweaking there cars in general and not making any announcements. You feel difference when you had time in each car. For example: salesguys that take Z's home feel the difference from year to year. Or like I did going from an 09 to an 11 on the suspension. 11's spring response is more refined in absorption of bumps.
Its possible to VDC has been mildly tweaked enough not to be as intrusive in 11-12???Which are the cars you are familiar with. 09-10 basically went untweaked except for some TSB's, small feature upgrades like brighter nav, screen, backup cam heated mirrors and air filter. 2011 marked subtle tweaks to improve overall ride and drive quality that weren't made known to the gen-pop, like sound deadening added. But most dealers and car reviewers do know of the mild refinements which occured. That's why the 2011 was re-reviewed by a few car mags.

ImportConvert · 03-14-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It all depends on when/where/how you are driving. Most find it to be intrusive when driving hard, or driving rough. It won't be too invasive if you are not at the limit and driving smooth.

I was driving smooth, not pushing the car. Exiting a banked corner in 3rd gear and rolling onto the throttle while straightening the wheel. I rolled onto it just fast enough to try to move the back end gradually. I felt it more 1-2" or so it felt, and VDC prevented any more. For the street, this is just fine, if not preferable, for me.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Year model has to be considered. We know that nissan is forever tweaking there cars in general and not making any announcements. You feel difference when you had time in each car. For example: salesguys that take Z's home feel the difference from year to year. Or like I did going from an 09 to an 11 on the suspension. 11's spring response is more refined in absorption of bumps.
Its possible to VDC has been mildly tweaked enough not to be as intrusive in 11-12???Which are the cars you are familiar with. 09-10 basically went untweaked except for some TSB's, small feature upgrades like brighter nav, screen, backup cam heated mirrors and air filter. 2011 marked subtle tweaks to improve overall ride and drive quality that weren't made known to the gen-pop, like sound deadening added. But most dealers and car reviewers do know of the mild refinements which occured. That's why the 2011 was re-reviewed by a few car mags.

I heard they also added an adjustable rev limiter to a select number of autos.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I was driving smooth, not pushing the car. Exiting a banked corner in 3rd gear and rolling onto the throttle while straightening the wheel. I rolled onto it just fast enough to try to move the back end gradually. I felt it more 1-2" or so it felt, and VDC prevented any more. For the street, this is just fine, if not preferable, for me.

I am unsure as to why you quoted my post to say this.

cossie1600 · 03-14-2012, 08:35 AM

I will make a video for u tmr when I drive the z. it has to be the tcs that is on

Oh and anytime u hit bumps turning despite the low speed

flashburn · 03-14-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I will make a video for u tmr when I drive the z. it has to be the tcs that is on

Oh and anytime u hit bumps turning despite the low speed

It's okay, I don't think anyone doubts you. I'm just saying I've never seen it in my car.

Nick911sc · 03-14-2012, 08:41 AM

idk about you guys... But in my experience VDC off + SynchroRev off = Z drives 100x smoother

Thechidz · 03-14-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I provoked VDC today coming out of a corner. I didn't provoke it that much, but I saw the flashing light, and felt a slight taper in power delivery. It felt very intelligent and did not upset the car by "over compensating".

Does VDC maintain this intelligent personality throughout the performance envelope?

that wasnt VDC that kicked in it was traction control. VDC has to do with the way the car accelerates. With it on my car revs to red line before really taking off. with it off I get a much better shift dynamic

Limeybastard · 08-15-2014, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thechidz

that wasnt VDC that kicked in it was traction control. VDC has to do with the way the car accelerates. With it on my car revs to red line before really taking off. with it off I get a much better shift dynamic

So thats what it was. I dont normally drive hard but the few times I did it from standstill I noticed the same thing.

wstar · 03-14-2012, 11:47 AM

BTW: in answer to a side-point above: ABLS is active even on Sport/Nismo models with VSLD from the factory.

My experience has been that VDC is very intrusive if you're trying to slip the wheels and drive at the sweet spot right on the edge of good traction. You definitely want this car's VDC off for track stuff, even low-level HPDE. It won't save you, it'll just screw you.

I keep it off most of the time on the street as well, because in the rare circumstance you want to push the rear end a bit (e.g. hard accel coming out of a corner or onto a freeway, etc) you don't want it killing your acceleration.

What it's nice for on the street though is unpredictable traction situations where you're *not* trying to push traction limits intentionally. For example, if you're driving in decently-heavy rain and/or on a dusty/gravelly section of road. There are definitely situations there where you might hit a puddle or a slick spot out of nowhere and VDC can react faster than you can if you're not being 100% attentive.

cossie1600 · 03-14-2012, 12:22 PM

Heck, the car will cut power when I pull out of the parking lot at work because the bump is too high and the system doesn't like it

03-14-2012, 09:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
Streetlife Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 466 Drives: 2012 370z Mont/sport Rep Power: 16	VDC is not too intrusive to me either, just another safety net when spirit driving on the public streets. __________________ Tanabe Medalion Exhaust + Tanabe Y-Pipe, Baker Tuning, K&N Drop-Ins, Z1 Post MAF Tubes, GT-R Button, Nismo Magnetic Oil Drain Plug, CeramiKool Tint 35%, Solar Gard Clearshield Clearbra

03-14-2012, 11:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	BTW: in answer to a side-point above: ABLS is active even on Sport/Nismo models with VSLD from the factory. My experience has been that VDC is very intrusive if you're trying to slip the wheels and drive at the sweet spot right on the edge of good traction. You definitely want this car's VDC off for track stuff, even low-level HPDE. It won't save you, it'll just screw you. I keep it off most of the time on the street as well, because in the rare circumstance you want to push the rear end a bit (e.g. hard accel coming out of a corner or onto a freeway, etc) you don't want it killing your acceleration. What it's nice for on the street though is unpredictable traction situations where you're not trying to push traction limits intentionally. For example, if you're driving in decently-heavy rain and/or on a dusty/gravelly section of road. There are definitely situations there where you might hit a puddle or a slick spot out of nowhere and VDC can react faster than you can if you're not being 100% attentive. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

03-14-2012, 08:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	I will make a video for u tmr when I drive the z. it has to be the tcs that is on Oh and anytime u hit bumps turning despite the low speed

03-14-2012, 08:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 21	idk about you guys... But in my experience VDC off + SynchroRev off = Z drives 100x smoother

03-14-2012, 12:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	Heck, the car will cut power when I pull out of the parking lot at work because the bump is too high and the system doesn't like it