VDC not very intrusive?

alcheng · 03-14-2012, 01:47 AM

The VDC saved me two times from: 1st time, almost slide into an already-happened two-cars collision because iced surface on the ramp going 35km/h. 2nd time, prevent me from going into the ditch on a black-iced straight-highway during a snow storm.

I was driving the 350z.

If I was being "smart" like some drivers who doesn't want the VDC interrupt their fun or thinking the VDC is just a stupid thing..... I've crashed twice... at least.... on those surface.... I did have snow tire on the 350z, and they were Toyo.

To be honest, not trying to offense anyone here, but to those who say VDC is stupid, hope you will get into one of those situation with the VDC on and see how you are being saved by the system, then come back here again and tell us what do you think about the system...

I used to turn off the VDC too, having the same thoughts like some people here, but after the first incident, I have it on, and therefore it save me at the 2nd time.

cheers

Z_ealot · 03-14-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I am saying the system is so intrusive that it won't get you anywhere near to the point of sideways (obviously you can defeat that if you go really fast). It won't even let you approach the limit of cornering. I don't know if it is the TCS/ABLS or stability control, but the system loves cutting power off the corner even when there are no wheelspin.

dont know what you're talking about unless they adjusted things in the 2011 and up 370's but i've tooken hairpin turns approaching 80mph and had the VDC on the whole time and have never had it cut power.

3zworld · 03-14-2012, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

dont know what you're talking about unless they adjusted things in the 2011 and up 370's but i've tooken hairpin turns approaching 80mph and had the VDC on the whole time and have never had it cut power.

Same here, have an '09 and haven't had an issue with it even when pulling a hard right hair pin turn at like 75, the only time is when my backend breaks loose sometimes the limited slip traction control will kick in, but that's different than VDC (Vehicle Distance Control).

'09 F.I. CBE/HFC-Stillen Gen3,Setrab+, SpeedBooster, Tune +ModBod

ImportConvert · 03-14-2012, 01:57 AM

At spring mountain they told us "Turning the computer off won't make you faster, it will only make you crash faster."

Of course, this was with the ZR1 Corvette, which has one of the best systems out there, basically "Racelogic".

cossie1600 · 03-14-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

At spring mountain they told us "Turning the computer off won't make you faster, it will only make you crash faster."

Of course, this was with the ZR1 Corvette, which has one of the best systems out there, basically "Racelogic".

It definitely isn't the case with the 370 (GT-R maybe?). Maybe a professional can correct me, but I am not seeing it. I have driven nicer systems on cars like the 997 GT3 (TCS only), it definitely doesn't interfer like the 370z

Augustus · 03-14-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

At spring mountain they told us "Turning the computer off won't make you faster, it will only make you crash faster."

Of course, this was with the ZR1 Corvette, which has one of the best systems out there, basically "Racelogic".

When I attended the Skip Barber High Performance driving school at Road Atlanta a few years back, the instructors echoed that sentiment.

Perhaps the confusion stems from the fact that there's the 'ABLS' component of the VCD system. Either can trip the 'VCD' light. VCD being full-blown traction control with power cut, whereas ABLS just pulses brakes in an attempt to mimic a LSD (at least, for those of us with non-Sports... not sure about those with VLSD's). At least, that's my understanding. Different situations might invoke just ABLS, where you don't get the power cut.

VDC off, but slip light blinks

Darryl79 · 03-14-2012, 07:32 AM

Here in Guam we have coral roads, and they can be slick coupled with the constant rain and moisture/humidity in the air. I know it's saved me at least a couple of times. This was due to me taking it to the limit on the corners.

I only turn mine off when intending to play....safely.

flashburn · 03-14-2012, 07:51 AM

I leave VDC on while driving the streets. Sure, it goes off occasionally, and about 20% of the time it goes off for reasons I don't agree with. Other than that, it usually catches me from doing something stupid and forcing me to correct it myself (or worse). On the street, that's fine, if I'm evoking VDC that often, then I'm probably driving too damn fast/reckless for the streets.

That said, on the track, it pretty much blows. It's way too damn conservative and restricts the throttle for way too long and too aggressively.

cossie1600 · 03-14-2012, 08:12 AM

I just drive slower when condition calls for it, not sure why I need to depend on the VDC when I can drive slower or be more alert. Perhaps it is my bigger tires, but I can get mine to come up making a simple 90 degree turn (I think it is the TCS) without going more than 50% throttle.

flashburn · 03-14-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I just drive slower when condition calls for it, not sure why I need to depend on the VDC when I can drive slower or be more alert. Perhaps it is my bigger tires, but I can get mine to come up making a simple 90 degree turn (I think it is the TCS) without going more than 50% throttle.

Yeah, it's odd. It definitely seems like people are having differing levels of intrusion with VDC. I can understand if it's being that intrusive, that's ridiculous.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Yeah, it's odd. It definitely seems like people are having differing levels of intrusion with VDC. I can understand if it's being that intrusive, that's ridiculous.

It depends on how you drive. On track the VDC is going to kill your times (unless you don't really drive that hard, then maybe it won't). On the street, it really shouldn't matter much but like Mike was saying there are times where it can get you in trouble if it cuts in.

flashburn · 03-14-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It depends on how you drive. On track the VDC is going to kill your times. On the street, it really shouldn't matter much but like Mike was saying there are times where it can get you in trouble if it cuts in.

I dunno, cossie said that his VDC kicks in doing a 10mph 90 degree turn. I've definitely NEVER seen that happen before.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

I dunno, cossie said that his VDC kicks in doing a 10mph 90 degree turn. I've definitely NEVER seen that happen before.

If it's a really tight corner it will happen. VDC used to kick in on this really tight slightly uphill right hander into my neighborhood. It'd take that one at only around 10 mph or so and the car would practically die coming out of it.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2012, 08:29 AM

VDC is definitely intrusive on the Z. Like others have mentioned if you get just enough slip to where it cuts in to intervene it will kill power for what seems like forever. As everyone knows there are times when a little bit of wheelspin or a little bit of a slide isn't a bad thing, but VDC seems to think otherwise.

What would have been nice is a standard setting and then a sport setting like what most cars are using these days.

flashburn · 03-14-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

VDC is definitely intrusive on the Z. Like others have mentioned if you get just enough slip to where it cuts in to intervene it will kill power for what seems like forever. As everyone knows there are times when a little bit of wheelspin or a little bit of a slide isn't a bad thing, but VDC seems to think otherwise.

What would have been nice is a standard setting and then a sport setting like what most cars are using these days.

Honestly if the only thing it did better was not restrict the throttle for so long and so reduced, I'd be okay with it, even on the track. It's just ridiculous that it lasts for literally seconds longer than it should.

03-14-2012, 01:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
alcheng A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 28,894 Drives: 2011 ZR PW w/Clutch Rep Power: 418353	The VDC saved me two times from: 1st time, almost slide into an already-happened two-cars collision because iced surface on the ramp going 35km/h. 2nd time, prevent me from going into the ditch on a black-iced straight-highway during a snow storm. I was driving the 350z. If I was being "smart" like some drivers who doesn't want the VDC interrupt their fun or thinking the VDC is just a stupid thing..... I've crashed twice... at least.... on those surface.... I did have snow tire on the 350z, and they were Toyo. To be honest, not trying to offense anyone here, but to those who say VDC is stupid, hope you will get into one of those situation with the VDC on and see how you are being saved by the system, then come back here again and tell us what do you think about the system... I used to turn off the VDC too, having the same thoughts like some people here, but after the first incident, I have it on, and therefore it save me at the 2nd time. cheers Last edited by alcheng; 03-14-2012 at 01:51 AM.

03-14-2012, 07:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 19	I leave VDC on while driving the streets. Sure, it goes off occasionally, and about 20% of the time it goes off for reasons I don't agree with. Other than that, it usually catches me from doing something stupid and forcing me to correct it myself (or worse). On the street, that's fine, if I'm evoking VDC that often, then I'm probably driving too damn fast/reckless for the streets. That said, on the track, it pretty much blows. It's way too damn conservative and restricts the throttle for way too long and too aggressively. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

03-14-2012, 08:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	I just drive slower when condition calls for it, not sure why I need to depend on the VDC when I can drive slower or be more alert. Perhaps it is my bigger tires, but I can get mine to come up making a simple 90 degree turn (I think it is the TCS) without going more than 50% throttle. Last edited by cossie1600; 03-14-2012 at 08:16 AM.

03-14-2012, 08:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	VDC is definitely intrusive on the Z. Like others have mentioned if you get just enough slip to where it cuts in to intervene it will kill power for what seems like forever. As everyone knows there are times when a little bit of wheelspin or a little bit of a slide isn't a bad thing, but VDC seems to think otherwise. What would have been nice is a standard setting and then a sport setting like what most cars are using these days. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-14-2012, 01:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7627	At spring mountain they told us "Turning the computer off won't make you faster, it will only make you crash faster." Of course, this was with the ZR1 Corvette, which has one of the best systems out there, basically "Racelogic".

03-14-2012, 07:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
Darryl79 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 43 Drives: 12-370ZR-BC-7AT Rep Power: 14	Here in Guam we have coral roads, and they can be slick coupled with the constant rain and moisture/humidity in the air. I know it's saved me at least a couple of times. This was due to me taking it to the limit on the corners. I only turn mine off when intending to play....safely.