Do you guys consider the Z a yuppie car?

semtex

Well you know what GM will really stand for then, right? General Mao.

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XBadgerX

Government were the ones too enforce the unions. So I say again, the government put GM into this position.

Majority of the people in this country voted for "more government control." We are getting now

Rans

I'm with you. The president is playing a lousy hand of cards dealt to him, and only time will tell if he played it well or not. But the bottom line is that GM mismanagement, greed combined with union greed caused the problem. GM never found a way to respond to quality efficient cars being made by other companies. By the time they started to understand they had already ruined their own reputation and still they did almost nothing to restore it.

People should remember that most so called "foreign cars" sold in America are made in America, using at least some American made content, by American workers, delivered, sold and repaired by Americans. My Honda motorcycle was made in Marysville Ohio by American workers with 74% American made content. By contrast, Harley's only have 71% American made content.

The bottom line here is that this isn't a simple black and white American vs Foreign issue. It is a world economy, and if we don't start competing in that economy we are doomed.

(jumping down off my soapbox)

Rans

This country needs some control right now after the greedy wall st types and the greedy bankers took advantage of all the loop holes they could when the financial industry was deregulated. That all happened before the election. Now you have a guy in there trying to clean things up and you've already declared him a failure after 4 months? I think you'll be seeing it differently in a few years when the mess has started to get straightened out.

In the meantime, there is no place in this country for businesses like GM and Chrysler that are so bloated they can't make a quality product or a profit. GM should be broken apart into manageable businesses working independently.

theDreamer

Not going to get to deep into it, but take a look at the Clinton era and look at what the government forced the wall street types to do with home loans.

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XBadgerX

Please answer this question for me then.

How did you expect GM to compete in this "world economy" when GM was FORCED (government pro unions) to pay their employees double compared to their foreign competitors while selling the same product??

It can't be done, simple business.

XBadgerX

+10000

And that is what Bush inherited, but noone sees that.

When government has too much control, **** hits the fan.

DannyGT

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semtex

Well, so much for staying on topic.

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Forumite

For real. 370z forum, keep the politics out of it for crying out loud.

Rans

What are you talking about with this "government pro unions" thing? What does that even mean? The issues at GM really had more to do with the amount they were paying out in Pensions. Look, it's easy to say Government regulations caused the problems, thats the cheap way out. GM continually refused to answer the call when it came to changing their business model as the industry changed. In the 1970s, after the oil embargos (are you old enough to know about that?), there was an opportunity for GM to begin to change their design and manufacturing. But they didn't. Chrysler almost went under and then they hired Lee Iacocco and he changed their business model and brought them around (I know he cut alot of corners to keep them afloat that came back to haunt them...can you say K-car?). But while Japan was retooling, redesigning, pooring money into R&D, and building quality products selling at a higher price than the comparible models from GM, GM continued turning out crap, plastic, fall apart, crap cars. Think Chevy Vega. The GM model was "Planned Obsolesence". Then the Government mandated CAFE rules and GM whined and complained about them while Japan met the requirements and continued selling and making profit. By the way, Japanese wages were comparable to GM in the 70's, and they had overseas shipping costs too!!

So stop blaming Government and start realizing that GM shot itself in the foot and has no one to blame but itself. Bad decisions based on bad decisions, based on bad decisions.

Sorry for the history lesson. Didn't mean for this to be political, was more trying to make a point about the industry, which Nissan is a part of. So this is related to the 'Z'. But I'm done anyway.

Pushing_Tin

^^Exactly, what people fail to realize is that "government regulations" apply equally to all manufacturers. The same EPA and safety regulations that apply to the Malibu also apply to the Accord or Camry too.

dad

Absolutely correct! The head honchos and car designers of GM and Chrysler are the blame for their failure!

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