Sold the Z yesterday

slammiam · 02-19-2012, 02:45 PM

I loved so much about it, but took a BMW 335d for a test drive and couldn't resist. 38+ mpg, 265hp, 425lb-ft torque. Handles like a coupe. I have nothing but positive, fond memories of my Z-car...but it feels like I'm not compromising with the bimmer. People are getting 350hp/500lb-ft with a chip tune, and 44MPG.

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...l1088l4.6l10l0

stifun · 02-19-2012, 02:55 PM

Well, good luck with your bimmer. All I gotta say is if anything goes wrong when your warranty is up.... you are not gonna like the cost of ownership. lol

LakeShow · 02-19-2012, 03:43 PM

gsxr750 · 02-19-2012, 03:44 PM

Which engine are you talking about the 6 cylinder turbo or the 4 cylinder engine. TrueCar.com rates the 6cyl, turbo at 300hp/300lb .

Also note that the 6 cylinder is a 3 liter turbo charged motor, to get it up to the 300hp. Turbo charged motors are not really that reliable in the long run for making high horse power. Most of the time the turbo system gives out before rest of the engine and is very costly to fix.

Also making changes to the mapping with aftermarket chips or tuners can greatly effect the reliability and longevity of the motor. While you can easily change your engine map on most turbo motors and extract a lot more HP, it comes at a price. Often owners who do this, wish they never did it down the road after they experience major break downs or costly repairs, that won't be covered under the waranty.

Also while I will agree that BMW does make some fine cars, but they are also very costly and complex to work on. Replacement parts are about 3-4 times the cost of a japanese or american car for similar parts, and often the way the car is built , you have to pull apart a lot of major assembles to even replace a small item or part. I had a friend that had a late 90's M3 that he paid a $1000 in labor to have a windshield wiper motor replaced.

So good luck on it and its best to get the extended bumper to bumper waranty on this car, if you plain to drive it for a long time and keep that engine stock , its not worth it, to screw around with it.

VCuomo · 02-19-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slammiam

... People are getting 350hp/500lb-ft with a chip tune, and 44MPG.

Please provide us with some real mileage numbers when you get them.

Regardless, congratulations and best wishes with your new ride!

gbrettin · 02-19-2012, 05:24 PM

OMG! 54 extra hp and 130 tq with a retune in one of the videos. That's pretty crazy.

Invidious · 02-19-2012, 05:36 PM

335D is diesel, truly a beast!

PapoZalsa · 02-19-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

Please provide us with some real mileage numbers when you get them.

And here we go!

r1eater · 02-19-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Which engine are you talking about the 6 cylinder turbo or the 4 cylinder engine. TrueCar.com rates the 6cyl, turbo at 300hp/300lb .

Also note that the 6 cylinder is a 3 liter turbo charged motor, to get it up to the 300hp. Turbo charged motors are not really that reliable in the long run for making high horse power. Most of the time the turbo system gives out before rest of the engine and is very costly to fix.

Also making changes to the mapping with aftermarket chips or tuners can greatly effect the reliability and longevity of the motor. While you can easily change your engine map on most turbo motors and extract a lot more HP, it comes at a price. Often owners who do this, wish they never did it down the road after they experience major break downs or costly repairs, that won't be covered under the waranty.

Also while I will agree that BMW does make some fine cars, but they are also very costly and complex to work on. Replacement parts are about 3-4 times the cost of a japanese or american car for similar parts, and often the way the car is built , you have to pull apart a lot of major assembles to even replace a small item or part. I had a friend that had a late 90's M3 that he paid a $1000 in labor to have a windshield wiper motor replaced.

So good luck on it and its best to get the extended bumper to bumper waranty on this car, if you plain to drive it for a long time and keep that engine stock , its not worth it, to screw around with it.

LOL! Have you ever owned a turbo car that you personally had problems with? It seems like you are speaking from hear say..

I owned a 2001 Audi S4 that I had an APR tune stage 3 kit on that never had problems and to this day doesn't. It runs 11's on street tires no problem. I just traded in my 2008 STI that was custom tuned and like the Audi was running more timing and more boost. Never had issues with it....

Too the OP, congrats! Let us know what you end up doing to the BMW!

Zeuz · 02-19-2012, 05:42 PM

good luck with your new bimmer ! my GF has a 135 dont get me wrong its a nice car but thats her 2nd bmw in a year both are lemons i hope this does not happen with you! good luck!!!

Jeffblue · 02-19-2012, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750

Which engine are you talking about the 6 cylinder turbo or the 4 cylinder engine. TrueCar.com rates the 6cyl, turbo at 300hp/300lb .

Also note that the 6 cylinder is a 3 liter turbo charged motor, to get it up to the 300hp. Turbo charged motors are not really that reliable in the long run for making high horse power. Most of the time the turbo system gives out before rest of the engine and is very costly to fix.

Also making changes to the mapping with aftermarket chips or tuners can greatly effect the reliability and longevity of the motor. While you can easily change your engine map on most turbo motors and extract a lot more HP, it comes at a price. Often owners who do this, wish they never did it down the road after they experience major break downs or costly repairs, that won't be covered under the waranty.

Also while I will agree that BMW does make some fine cars, but they are also very costly and complex to work on. Replacement parts are about 3-4 times the cost of a japanese or american car for similar parts, and often the way the car is built , you have to pull apart a lot of major assembles to even replace a small item or part. I had a friend that had a late 90's M3 that he paid a $1000 in labor to have a windshield wiper motor replaced.

So good luck on it and its best to get the extended bumper to bumper waranty on this car, if you plain to drive it for a long time and keep that engine stock , its not worth it, to screw around with it.

OP got a 335D, not a 335i. The 335D is a 3.0L i6 diesel with twin turbos. you are thinking of the 335i. and as far as the rest of your opinions on forced induction, like someone else said, they sound like they are based on hearsay rather than experience. as far as reliably high horsepower cars, there aren't many that are not Forced induction. most of the highest hp (1000+hp) cars have TT or supercharged large displacement motors.

TreeSemdyZee · 02-19-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

OP got a 335D, not a 335i. The 335D is a 3.0L i6 diesel with twin turbos. you are thinking of the 335i. and as far as the rest of your opinions on forced induction, like someone else said, they sound like they are based on hearsay rather than experience. as far as reliably high horsepower cars, there aren't many that are not Forced induction. most of the highest hp (1000+hp) cars have TT or supercharged large displacement motors.

Also probably based on old turbo technology. Back in the 80s most turbo cars were crap.

Waiz · 02-19-2012, 07:32 PM

Best of luck, I hope you have a good mechanic

gsxr750 · 02-19-2012, 07:35 PM

You must be getting a 2011 335D , it appears bmw stopped making it for 2012

I had a turbo 300zx anniversary edition , and the previous owner had the turbo rebuilt 2 times in only 40k miles.

My brother had a turbo diesel ford 2007 f350, he did the turbo remap and bigger exhaust, started having excessive carbon build up in the intake, and turbo, also started having injector problems. Major problems at only 30k miles.

The simple facts with turbos,
1. Turbine is proned the early failure due to the tremendous temperatures they operate at and also get impeller wear and bearing failure.
2. Internal engine components are subjected increased stress, due to the increased power made by the turbo.
3. Doing remapping and increasing HP out to the turbo, you have to make sure by doing so that you are not exceeding the design limits of the engines internal components.

I would always take a larger cubic inch normally aspirated gas engine over a small high output turbo any day of the week.

Diesels do have their place for towing or in industrial or 18 wheelers etc. but not in cars.

Then you have the added cost of diesel over pump gas.

Pharmacist · 02-19-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Then you have the added cost of diesel over pump gas.

really? where i live diesel is always a bit cheaper than gasoline

02-19-2012, 02:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
slammiam Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 61 Drives: jesus built hotrod Rep Power: 14	Sold the Z yesterday I loved so much about it, but took a BMW 335d for a test drive and couldn't resist. 38+ mpg, 265hp, 425lb-ft torque. Handles like a coupe. I have nothing but positive, fond memories of my Z-car...but it feels like I'm not compromising with the bimmer. People are getting 350hp/500lb-ft with a chip tune, and 44MPG. http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...l1088l4.6l10l0 __________________ Huper Optik 30 \| Clearshield

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02-19-2012, 03:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 13	Which engine are you talking about the 6 cylinder turbo or the 4 cylinder engine. TrueCar.com rates the 6cyl, turbo at 300hp/300lb . Also note that the 6 cylinder is a 3 liter turbo charged motor, to get it up to the 300hp. Turbo charged motors are not really that reliable in the long run for making high horse power. Most of the time the turbo system gives out before rest of the engine and is very costly to fix. Also making changes to the mapping with aftermarket chips or tuners can greatly effect the reliability and longevity of the motor. While you can easily change your engine map on most turbo motors and extract a lot more HP, it comes at a price. Often owners who do this, wish they never did it down the road after they experience major break downs or costly repairs, that won't be covered under the waranty. Also while I will agree that BMW does make some fine cars, but they are also very costly and complex to work on. Replacement parts are about 3-4 times the cost of a japanese or american car for similar parts, and often the way the car is built , you have to pull apart a lot of major assembles to even replace a small item or part. I had a friend that had a late 90's M3 that he paid a $1000 in labor to have a windshield wiper motor replaced. So good luck on it and its best to get the extended bumper to bumper waranty on this car, if you plain to drive it for a long time and keep that engine stock , its not worth it, to screw around with it. Last edited by gsxr750; 02-19-2012 at 03:46 PM.

02-19-2012, 07:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 13	You must be getting a 2011 335D , it appears bmw stopped making it for 2012 I had a turbo 300zx anniversary edition , and the previous owner had the turbo rebuilt 2 times in only 40k miles. My brother had a turbo diesel ford 2007 f350, he did the turbo remap and bigger exhaust, started having excessive carbon build up in the intake, and turbo, also started having injector problems. Major problems at only 30k miles. The simple facts with turbos, 1. Turbine is proned the early failure due to the tremendous temperatures they operate at and also get impeller wear and bearing failure. 2. Internal engine components are subjected increased stress, due to the increased power made by the turbo. 3. Doing remapping and increasing HP out to the turbo, you have to make sure by doing so that you are not exceeding the design limits of the engines internal components. I would always take a larger cubic inch normally aspirated gas engine over a small high output turbo any day of the week. Diesels do have their place for towing or in industrial or 18 wheelers etc. but not in cars. Then you have the added cost of diesel over pump gas. Last edited by gsxr750; 02-19-2012 at 08:02 PM.

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