Thoughts on why no DCT for the Z....

Augustus

Really? I thought that a "DCT" is just the generic term for a dual-clutch automated manual transmission, where "DSG" was VAG's trademark name for the same technology. Like Porsche & "PDK". Obviously not having interchangeable parts, but the same idea of a dual-driveshaft, dual-clutch automated manual.

Genuinely curious here - can you describe how is a "DCT" vastly different from a "DSG"?

Pharmacist

They're the same thing, just different names. just like manumatic/tiptronic/geartronic/sportronic/touchshift/etc refer to the same thing.

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cossie1600

Oops my bad. You are right. I got it mixed up with the SMG sorry.

sonic370

i can't say why they don't. but i will say imho both the 6 mt and the 7at
trans are the best trans in any car that cost under 40k

Red__Zed

Under what set of criteria?

kenchan

maybe features? both rev-match during downshift, AT has paddles that are stationary to the steering column, locking tc gear 2-6... MT has pretty slick gates, not wobbly not notchy, agressive gearing which we like.

red6spd

I agree with, most dont.

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Red__Zed

So, to be fair, transmissions are very subjective, and I respect that...just seems like a bold statement with no backing.
If the criteria is technology, sure, the 6MT has some neat rev-matching...but by that standard, the 7AT has a tough time against the EVO's DCT, or the DCT in the 135i....

If you go on anything else, you might subjectively say that you like the transmissions, but it is a pretty bold assertion to say they are the best under 40K...with no backing...

UNKNOWN_370

Have you driven both Mitsubishi EVO MR/GSR? I would say mitsu kills us on tranny performance.
BMW 135DCT it would cost about 44k but its so close to 43k and feels awesome. 6mt 135l128/328?
Mazda 6mt in the rx8 and miata?

The Z is EXCELLENT. In the top 5 but not the best.

UNKNOWN_370

There are wet and dry sump dual clutches. Each has its own capablities, strengths and weaknesses. Its not all the same.... geez...

Dual clutch transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pharmacist

you mean wet and dry clutches, not sumps, right? They are the same mechanically. The difference is that higher power applications use oil cooling to protect the clutch from overheating and slipping during hard acceleration.

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UNKNOWN_370

Yeah, they are rated for different types of performance. That's what I'm saying. A DCT is a DCT, But the DCT in the. Focus is not the same as the DCT in the GTR or R8. Get real with that part.

Doug&Michelle

I get it now then. Makes me feel much better about my 7at. I have really grown to love it. Don't get me wrong, I love sticks as well but I'm not unhappy that I ended up with the auto. I just always wondered if I was missing out not having a dual clutch like my friend with the M3.

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UNKNOWN_370

Honestly, the only way you'd be wishing you had a DCT is if you were trying to get 600hp from your auto and didn't want to spend $4k in prep to make the auto turbo friendly. DCT's can take more under that kind of load.

lol1234

Cost

the Z is already IMO over priced for what it offers and DCT would drive that cost up even more

I also think with the Z heritage, manual is important. As more cars switch to DCT, the manual will become rarer in sports cars and there will be demand for it when most sports cars eventually become DCT.