Improved Low end?

greasyginzo · 05-26-2009, 03:36 PM

My lease on my R32 (vw) is almost up and I am shopping around for a car. My friend has an 05 350z that I have driven many times and while its a nice car its so boring to drive around town (which is most of my driving) cause it has no balls down low. Unlike my vr6 motor which pulls like crazy off idle. So my question is does the 3.7l have balls down low? I know max torque is around 5200rpm's and from the dyno sheets I have seen on the 370s it seems to have a nice flat torque curve like the vr6 motors are notorious for having. But in actual city driving do these cars rip from stop light to stop light? Unlike the 350s?

semtex · 05-26-2009, 03:54 PM

Hmm...I think the problem with your question is that it's subjective. What may feel like a a strong pull off the line to one person may not feel that way to another. I can tell you that it has gobs of low-end torque compared to an S2000, which I once owned. I can also tell you that a number of guys in R32s tried to take me in my S2000 and were never successful, so infer from that what you will. I think there's only one way you can definitively get an answer -- go take a 370Z on a test drive.

Question: Your info says you drive an 08 R32. How can your lease already be up?

greasyginzo · 05-26-2009, 03:57 PM

I agree that I am asking an opinionated question but any car enthusiast who has driven a lot of different cars should be able to answer my question. Have you ever driven a 350z with the REV-UP motor?

semtex · 05-26-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by greasyginzo

I agree that I am asking an opinionated question but any car enthusiast who has driven a lot of different cars should be able to answer my question. Have you ever driven a 350z with the REV-UP motor?

Yep. I had an '06 350Z with MT before the 370. Why? FWIW, the 370 feels plenty quick off the line to me. The 08 R32 has what, 236 ft-lbs stock, right? The 370 has 270 ft-lbs. I don't know what the weight differential is though. In any case, here's my most recent dyno. Now, my car isn't stock, but it should at least show you how flat the curve is, starting at what rpm.

Also, how can your lease be up already on an '08 model?

greasyginzo · 05-26-2009, 04:35 PM

I only did a 24 month lease on my car.

On paper it looks like its got some down low.....hows the 3.7 pull off the line compared to your 350? The R is heavy like 3800lbs what the weight on the 370?

Modshack · 05-26-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by greasyginzo

I only did a 24 month lease on my car.

On paper it looks like its got some down low.....hows the 3.7 pull off the line compared to your 350? The R is heavy like 3800lbs what the weight on the 370?

The first Gen R32 is closer to 3400 lbs. Not a lot different than the Z...

semtex · 05-26-2009, 04:51 PM

According to the Nissan site, the Touring w/ MT (which is what I have) weighs 3278.
2009 Nissan 370Z Coupe Specs - Nissan USA

It pulls stronger than my 350.

ChrisSlicks · 05-26-2009, 04:56 PM

To me the 370Z feels a little sluggish from idle, but once the revs get up a little it starts pulling. My 05 G35 had a little more low end but less high end. My 02 Maxima had more low end than both but less overall.

It's still easy to get off the line right fast if you need to, just bring the revs up a little.

greasyginzo · 05-26-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

To me the 370Z feels a little sluggish from idle, but once the revs get up a little it starts pulling. My 05 G35 had a little more low end but less high end. My 02 Maxima had more low end than both but less overall.

It's still easy to get off the line right fast if you need to, just bring the revs up a little.

Thats not the answer I was hoping for....If im not mistaking the 05 G35's had the non REV-UP motor which is supposed to have more low end than the REV-UP motors. I really wanted a G35 a few years ago but every time I drove them I was disappointed with how much of a dog they were. My friends 05 Z is an anniverary eddition so it has the REV-UP and his car feels better than any non REV-UP G coupe I have driven....I am assuming that Z's are a few hundred pounds lighter than G coupes

ChrisSlicks · 05-26-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by greasyginzo

Thats not the answer I was hoping for....If im not mistaking the 05 G35's had the non REV-UP motor which is supposed to have more low end than the REV-UP motors. I really wanted a G35 a few years ago but every time I drove them I was disappointed with how much of a dog they were. My friends 05 Z is an anniverary eddition so it has the REV-UP and his car feels better than any non REV-UP G coupe I have driven....I am assuming that Z's are a few hundred pounds lighter than G coupes

05 G35 with the 6MT had the Rev-up motor, the auto's did not.

The Z is about 250 pounds lighter than the old G35 coupe (not sure about G37).

shabarivas · 05-26-2009, 04:58 PM

hahah its just the feeling of the turbos man... my friends VW TDI feels like it pulls harder than my Z too LOL... but it just feels like that - the car goes nowhere... no my Evo X... that thing pulled like a beast on roids and went FAR lol

Slow*Jim · 05-26-2009, 05:25 PM

VW Golf R32 (AWD)('04) TTD 3350
VW Golf R32 (AWD)('08) TTE* 3600

The 350z is nearly 400lbs lighter than your R32 and has more torque - I'm not sure how the 350 didn't feel as torquey to you. IMO the 370 powerband is more focused on the top end and midrange so the 350's feel a little more ballsy off the line.

But both are a decent bit quicker than the R32, especially if you like turning

greasyginzo · 05-26-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Slow*Jim

VW Golf R32 (AWD)('04) TTD 3350
VW Golf R32 (AWD)('08) TTE* 3600

The 350z is nearly 400lbs lighter than your R32 and has more torque - I'm not sure how the 350 didn't feel as torquey to you. IMO the 370 powerband is more focused on the top end and midrange so the 350's feel a little more ballsy off the line.

But both are a decent bit quicker than the R32, especially if you like turning

Up top the 350 feels nice and strong.....its off idle where its a dog. I am a good 2 car lengths ahead of 350z from the dig. The vr6 has near instant torque and with awd I can launch hard out of the hole.

My car far out handles the 350 as well but thats not what I am concerned with both cars handle better than is ever needed on the street.

280z/300zx · 05-26-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by greasyginzo

Up top the 350 feels nice and strong.....its off idle where its a dog. I am a good 2 car lengths ahead of 350z from the dig. The vr6 has near instant torque and with awd I can launch hard out of the hole.

My car far out handles the 350 as well but thats not what I am concerned with both cars handle better than is ever needed on the street.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Your car has AWD while the Z is RWD. A decently powered AWD car will always launch harder and stronger than an equally powered RWD car or even a RWD car with slightly more power. Back when I had my 06 WRX I could launch harder and jump 1.5 car lenghts on my girlfriends 06 Corvette. Does that mean the Corvette has no balls compared to a WRX? Hell no. She would rip past me after 60mph. What you are felling comparing your R32 to the 350z is the advantage of AWD. Do the same launch from a 1.5-2k rpm run and your car won't pull as fast as the Z.

Your best bet is to go test drive the 370z but if you are going to be comparing your AWD car to RWD you should be keeping in mind the AWD advantage when launching. Having driven the 370z it has more than enough power down low to be fun. Just need them to fix the oil temp issue so I can buy mine

greasyginzo · 05-26-2009, 08:38 PM

I am aware of the awd advantage over rwd but the 350z won't even break loose without dropin the clutch. Anyway I found a couple dealers around with 370's in stock so hopefully I will get some seat time soon and be able to make my own decision. Thanks for everyone that gave some info. I will post up my thoughts after I drive one.

05-26-2009, 03:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
greasyginzo Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Jersey Posts: 13 Drives: 08 .:R32 Rep Power: 16	Improved Low end? My lease on my R32 (vw) is almost up and I am shopping around for a car. My friend has an 05 350z that I have driven many times and while its a nice car its so boring to drive around town (which is most of my driving) cause it has no balls down low. Unlike my vr6 motor which pulls like crazy off idle. So my question is does the 3.7l have balls down low? I know max torque is around 5200rpm's and from the dyno sheets I have seen on the 370s it seems to have a nice flat torque curve like the vr6 motors are notorious for having. But in actual city driving do these cars rip from stop light to stop light? Unlike the 350s?

05-26-2009, 03:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	Hmm...I think the problem with your question is that it's subjective. What may feel like a a strong pull off the line to one person may not feel that way to another. I can tell you that it has gobs of low-end torque compared to an S2000, which I once owned. I can also tell you that a number of guys in R32s tried to take me in my S2000 and were never successful, so infer from that what you will. I think there's only one way you can definitively get an answer -- go take a 370Z on a test drive. Question: Your info says you drive an 08 R32. How can your lease already be up? __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf. Last edited by semtex; 05-26-2009 at 03:58 PM.

05-26-2009, 04:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	According to the Nissan site, the Touring w/ MT (which is what I have) weighs 3278. 2009 Nissan 370Z Coupe Specs - Nissan USA It pulls stronger than my 350. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

05-26-2009, 05:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
Slow*Jim Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 29 Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 Rep Power: 16	VW Golf R32 (AWD)('04) TTD 3350 VW Golf R32 (AWD)('08) TTE* 3600 The 350z is nearly 400lbs lighter than your R32 and has more torque - I'm not sure how the 350 didn't feel as torquey to you. IMO the 370 powerband is more focused on the top end and midrange so the 350's feel a little more ballsy off the line. But both are a decent bit quicker than the R32, especially if you like turning __________________ "Racing is life... everything before and after is just waiting." -Steve McQueen Last edited by SlowJim; 05-26-2009 at 05:28 PM.*

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greasyginzo Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Jersey Posts: 13 Drives: 08 .:R32 Rep Power: 16	I agree that I am asking an opinionated question but any car enthusiast who has driven a lot of different cars should be able to answer my question. Have you ever driven a 350z with the REV-UP motor?

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greasyginzo Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Jersey Posts: 13 Drives: 08 .:R32 Rep Power: 16	I only did a 24 month lease on my car. On paper it looks like its got some down low.....hows the 3.7 pull off the line compared to your 350? The R is heavy like 3800lbs what the weight on the 370?

05-26-2009, 04:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	To me the 370Z feels a little sluggish from idle, but once the revs get up a little it starts pulling. My 05 G35 had a little more low end but less high end. My 02 Maxima had more low end than both but less overall. It's still easy to get off the line right fast if you need to, just bring the revs up a little.

05-26-2009, 04:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 915	hahah its just the feeling of the turbos man... my friends VW TDI feels like it pulls harder than my Z too LOL... but it just feels like that - the car goes nowhere... no my Evo X... that thing pulled like a beast on roids and went FAR lol

05-26-2009, 08:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
greasyginzo Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Jersey Posts: 13 Drives: 08 .:R32 Rep Power: 16	I am aware of the awd advantage over rwd but the 350z won't even break loose without dropin the clutch. Anyway I found a couple dealers around with 370's in stock so hopefully I will get some seat time soon and be able to make my own decision. Thanks for everyone that gave some info. I will post up my thoughts after I drive one.