370z vs BRZ.......

theDreamer · 01-16-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I think the BRZ has merit for what it is, but I'm a little put off by their use of the STi monicker on something so weakly powered. I wonder if I'm going to have BRZ drivers challenging me in my real STi as a continual nuisance.

Oh geez, cannot wait for the day these cars hit the street and every boy racer buys them up and goes out thinking they are hot sh1t.

kenchan · 01-16-2012, 11:34 AM

i think the main selling point and reason for BRZ/FRS is suppose to be price and power/weight ratio. bascially taking nothing and trying to make something out of it.

when you add all sorts of aftermarket parts to make these cars 'capable' as in enough power to compete with the current standard 300hp+ sports car crowd, the prices go up into Z terriory. why not then just buy the real deal in that case instead of tinkering around with some wannabie toy?

that is how i see this car. if 200hp and lightweight/fun to drive/cheap, then it needs to sell under $25K.

semtex · 01-16-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Oh geez, cannot wait for the day these cars hit the street and every boy racer buys them up and goes out thinking they are hot sh1t.

Exactly. And by plastering the STi logo on the BRZ, Subaru is just feeding into that. I also think Subie is diluting the STi brand, if that makes any sense. That's admittedly a subjective thing though, mind you.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301

I've seen a couple different designs with the BRZ and I don't mind it. It's somewhat light-weight, and with different tail lights and some lowering springs it'll look decent, but it really needs a turbo charged engine with about 270HP to keep with the 370Z given it's weight.

As a consumer you'll have to weigh each pro and con and figure what really suits you best. If you'll looking for something with a $25k price point then the BRZ will have a full warranty, until you mod it, and the Z will be out of a warranty for the most part. Besides, I always like to be the first person to fart in my car so I would lean towards the BRZ.

You know the aftermarket will be huge with those cars and I'm guessing it'll be larger than the Z aftermarket. Some companies like Cobb even gave up on us. The BRZ is priced for the younger generation and I bet parts will be cheaper too.

I am very happy with my 370Z and I would never trade it for a BRZ but so many people are trashing the car already. Competition is healthy, come on people. Hopefully these Scion TC's will stop being produced because they're taking over. I see 3 on every corner.

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go but they haven't said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

alcheng · 01-16-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go. But they haven't. Said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

Red__Zed · 01-16-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go but they haven't said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

Stopped reading at "dsport"

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Stopped reading at "dsport"

Don't really care but thanks.

theDreamer · 01-16-2012, 11:54 AM

Subaru has already confirmed there is a Turbo FA20 motor and it is NOT going in the 86 right now:
Next-Gen Subaru WRX to Get Turbo 2.0-Liter Targeting 270 hp - WOT on Motor Trend

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

Well again, kinda comparing apples to oranges. The Z is approx a 3300lb vehicle. At its barest, 3232Lbs.
The subaru BRZ is at 2700 approx lbs. Which probably puts the Z and turbo brz in the same hp to weight ratio. Not to mention FI is a much more valid modifier.

I mean I'm not even going to pass any judgement till the turbo is on a track and competing. The BRZ seems like a pretty good pkg for what it is.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Oh geez, cannot wait for the day these cars hit the street and every boy racer buys them up and goes out thinking they are hot sh1t.

It happens with every model sports car. What can you really do?

edub370 · 01-16-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It happens with every model sports car. What can you really do?

not buy one...

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

not buy one...

Exactly... lol

280z/300zx · 01-16-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I think the BRZ has merit for what it is, but I'm a little put off by their use of the STi monicker on something so weakly powered. I wonder if I'm going to have BRZ drivers challenging me in my real STi as a continual nuisance.

the STI monicker isn't being used for the BRZ, it was used for the STI BRZ CONCEPT (the blue one with the wing, more aggresive body kit, wheels, etc). The concept was supposed to draw attention to what could be, not necessarily what will be. So in that regard I don't think Subaru is doing anything wrong.

Red__Zed · 01-16-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Don't really care but thanks.

When you say "dsport says", car guys read "some guy pulled out of his a$$"

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

When you say "dsport says", car guys read "some guy pulled out of his a$$"

In this case it doesn't really matter. Its a preliminary review of a car that's not out yet and its a vague source of info that does give some kind of useful info. What mattered to me is that they had knowledge of subie having builtn the turbo engine for this car and a mild possibility of one coming out in the future. That's all I care about. Not so much anything else. So I still don't get your point? D sport sucks. We know. But if I'm in the supermarket and a FR_S is on the cover. I'm going to open it and read what they claim to know. Just cuz.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i think the main selling point and reason for BRZ/FRS is suppose to be price and power/weight ratio. bascially taking nothing and trying to make something out of it. when you add all sorts of aftermarket parts to make these cars 'capable' as in enough power to compete with the current standard 300hp+ sports car crowd, the prices go up into Z terriory. why not then just buy the real deal in that case instead of tinkering around with some wannabie toy? that is how i see this car. if 200hp and lightweight/fun to drive/cheap, then it needs to sell under $25K.