370z vs BRZ.......

theDreamer · 01-15-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports

I've seen better....

The Dimer · 01-15-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports

That does look pretty sweet, but it'll definitely need FI to keep it from being all show and no go. 200 hp and 150 ft-lb is not going to get this car going in any type of a hurry

Felix 808 · 01-15-2012, 10:37 PM

I'll take the Z all day long.

TheGreatOne · 01-15-2012, 10:13 PM

Well they don't compare in performance, the Z is way ahead.

If u are just looking for a sporty car and looking more at cost, get the BRZ.

If u actually care about the Z heritage, want 332 hp, more exclusivity, you would pick the Z without question.

alcheng · 01-15-2012, 10:23 PM

BRZ: With 200 horses, it delivers you from A to B with some fun.

370Z: With 330 horses, you drive from A to B with TONS OF FUN!!!

Let alone you don't know you are driving a Toyota or Subaru, or Suyota, or Tobaru, Tomato maybe?

gbrettin · 01-15-2012, 10:30 PM

It's good to have options for people. For me, I like the Z's heritage and how the 370 is a throw back to the 240.

KillerBee370 · 01-15-2012, 11:15 PM

370z. that other thing is fugly

Kingbaby · 01-15-2012, 11:26 PM

used 07-08 Z/used 370z

wins by far

Waiz · 01-15-2012, 11:47 PM

This is not a valid comparison, they are two different price points and target markets.

Also, repost:

Subaru powered Toyota FT-86 Concept

DJ-of-E · 01-16-2012, 12:48 AM

Honestly...the BRZ probably makes a better track car.

I'm not talking about performance, but the ability to hold an extra set of wheels. haha

clintfocus · 01-16-2012, 02:46 AM

the BRZ/FRS is a great car for the community, its a platform built for enthusiasts to enjoy on track with minimal fuss. it will be a great car to learn in with it low torque output and light weight, yet will still be engaging with its revvy nature and balanced handling dynamic. but the fact of the matter is, its not the same class of car as a 370, apples and oranges.

the 370 chassis and suspension geometry is much further ahead, the 370 resembles a GTR platform more than anything with its double wish bone front suspension made with aluminum components, and its very good rear suspension geometry that has great corner exit grip and camber gain. Also the 370 can fit the rubber under stock body that can allow it to be a true mechanical grip monster on top of the great suspension design.

the BRZ/FRS chassis is basically a rwd impreza/wrx, with stamped steel suspension components and arms, strut front suspension, and a rear multilink that has a significant amount of anti squat, which with close to stock NA power isnt going to be a big deal, but when people start to add power with turbocharging(which you know will happen) the car is going to struggle with corner exit traction because of its design. to further add to this issue, the car does not fit wide rubber without body modification.

Footloose301 · 01-16-2012, 08:18 AM

I've seen a couple different designs with the BRZ and I don't mind it. It's somewhat light-weight, and with different tail lights and some lowering springs it'll look decent, but it really needs a turbo charged engine with about 270HP to keep with the 370Z given it's weight.

As a consumer you'll have to weigh each pro and con and figure what really suits you best. If you'll looking for something with a $25k price point then the BRZ will have a full warranty, until you mod it, and the Z will be out of a warranty for the most part. Besides, I always like to be the first person to fart in my car so I would lean towards the BRZ.

You know the aftermarket will be huge with those cars and I'm guessing it'll be larger than the Z aftermarket. Some companies like Cobb even gave up on us. The BRZ is priced for the younger generation and I bet parts will be cheaper too.

I am very happy with my 370Z and I would never trade it for a BRZ but so many people are trashing the car already. Competition is healthy, come on people. Hopefully these Scion TC's will stop being produced because they're taking over. I see 3 on every corner.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301

I've seen a couple different designs with the BRZ and I don't mind it. It's somewhat light-weight, and with different tail lights and some lowering springs it'll look decent, but it really needs a turbo charged engine with about 270HP to keep with the 370Z given it's weight.

As a consumer you'll have to weigh each pro and con and figure what really suits you best. If you'll looking for something with a $25k price point then the BRZ will have a full warranty, until you mod it, and the Z will be out of a warranty for the most part. Besides, I always like to be the first person to fart in my car so I would lean towards the BRZ.

You know the aftermarket will be huge with those cars and I'm guessing it'll be larger than the Z aftermarket. Some companies like Cobb even gave up on us. The BRZ is priced for the younger generation and I bet parts will be cheaper too.

I am very happy with my 370Z and I would never trade it for a BRZ but so many people are trashing the car already. Competition is healthy, come on people. Hopefully these Scion TC's will stop being produced because they're taking over. I see 3 on every corner.

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go but they haven't said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

alcheng · 01-16-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go. But they haven't. Said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-16-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

Well again, kinda comparing apples to oranges. The Z is approx a 3300lb vehicle. At its barest, 3232Lbs.
The subaru BRZ is at 2700 approx lbs. Which probably puts the Z and turbo brz in the same hp to weight ratio. Not to mention FI is a much more valid modifier.

I mean I'm not even going to pass any judgement till the turbo is on a track and competing. The BRZ seems like a pretty good pkg for what it is.

01-15-2012, 10:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Felix 808 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 1,063 Drives: 2011 PW/Grey T/S 7AT Rep Power: 2807	I'll take the Z all day long. __________________ Semper Fi Μολὼν λαβέ

01-15-2012, 10:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
TheGreatOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Age: 47 Posts: 1,980 Drives: E60 BMW M5 Rep Power: 22	Well they don't compare in performance, the Z is way ahead. If u are just looking for a sporty car and looking more at cost, get the BRZ. If u actually care about the Z heritage, want 332 hp, more exclusivity, you would pick the Z without question. __________________ 2017 SUBARU STI 2008 E60 M5 - SOLD 2010 40th Anniversary 370Z - SOLD (and missing her)

01-16-2012, 12:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
DJ-of-E Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Garden Grove, CA Posts: 676 Drives: 00 Toyota Celica 040 Rep Power: 16	Honestly...the BRZ probably makes a better track car. I'm not talking about performance, but the ability to hold an extra set of wheels. haha __________________

01-16-2012, 08:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
Footloose301 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,659 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 22	I've seen a couple different designs with the BRZ and I don't mind it. It's somewhat light-weight, and with different tail lights and some lowering springs it'll look decent, but it really needs a turbo charged engine with about 270HP to keep with the 370Z given it's weight. As a consumer you'll have to weigh each pro and con and figure what really suits you best. If you'll looking for something with a $25k price point then the BRZ will have a full warranty, until you mod it, and the Z will be out of a warranty for the most part. Besides, I always like to be the first person to fart in my car so I would lean towards the BRZ. You know the aftermarket will be huge with those cars and I'm guessing it'll be larger than the Z aftermarket. Some companies like Cobb even gave up on us. The BRZ is priced for the younger generation and I bet parts will be cheaper too. I am very happy with my 370Z and I would never trade it for a BRZ but so many people are trashing the car already. Competition is healthy, come on people. Hopefully these Scion TC's will stop being produced because they're taking over. I see 3 on every corner. __________________ 2010 40th Anniversary 370Z

01-15-2012, 10:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
alcheng A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 28,894 Drives: 2011 ZR PW w/Clutch Rep Power: 418353	BRZ: With 200 horses, it delivers you from A to B with some fun. 370Z: With 330 horses, you drive from A to B with TONS OF FUN!!! Let alone you don't know you are driving a Toyota or Subaru, or Suyota, or Tobaru, Tomato maybe?

01-15-2012, 10:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,296 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589151	It's good to have options for people. For me, I like the Z's heritage and how the 370 is a throw back to the 240.

01-15-2012, 11:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 52 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 322	370z. that other thing is fugly

01-15-2012, 11:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 460	This is not a valid comparison, they are two different price points and target markets. Also, repost: Subaru powered Toyota FT-86 Concept

01-16-2012, 02:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
clintfocus Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: los angeles Age: 39 Posts: 933 Drives: 370z, EK Civic, F150 Rep Power: 16	the BRZ/FRS is a great car for the community, its a platform built for enthusiasts to enjoy on track with minimal fuss. it will be a great car to learn in with it low torque output and light weight, yet will still be engaging with its revvy nature and balanced handling dynamic. but the fact of the matter is, its not the same class of car as a 370, apples and oranges. the 370 chassis and suspension geometry is much further ahead, the 370 resembles a GTR platform more than anything with its double wish bone front suspension made with aluminum components, and its very good rear suspension geometry that has great corner exit grip and camber gain. Also the 370 can fit the rubber under stock body that can allow it to be a true mechanical grip monster on top of the great suspension design. the BRZ/FRS chassis is basically a rwd impreza/wrx, with stamped steel suspension components and arms, strut front suspension, and a rear multilink that has a significant amount of anti squat, which with close to stock NA power isnt going to be a big deal, but when people start to add power with turbocharging(which you know will happen) the car is going to struggle with corner exit traction because of its design. to further add to this issue, the car does not fit wide rubber without body modification.