Car wars- Mustang, 370's, Camaros, Challengers...

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 03:42 PM

FWIW, the OLD Mustangs (05-09) on all-seasons were .87g.

phelan · 01-03-2012, 03:47 PM

Why do we always have to fight against a Mustang

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The funniest part to me is when the OP says. A Z outhandle a mustang? Really? Its like he can't elaborate because he's never driven a Z. And if he has? Not hard or extensively enough to really make a comparison. NOW. Though the mustang is greatly improved. The mustang G's are .95g which is great for a car of that size. But that G, is a track recorded grip level. On the street, that same exact brembo'ed and suspensioned Z drops to .87g which again, .87g on the street is great. But the lowest out sport models get on the street is middle 90's. Our cars still corner way better. Our steering feel is way better. Turn in feels way more precise and and flatter. As good as the stang is its just not up to snuff in handling. But it does kick *** compared to its muscle bredrin.

More thoughts (and I'm rehashing this from previous discussion because I feel it's necessary to counter your misinformation)...

Steering: Yes, the Z has better steering feel. The Brembo cars, in Sport mode, still feel pretty good, though.

Turn-in: I've said this before and I'll say it again. Turn-in is sharper on the 5.0. The 5.0 also corners flatter. There's a reason some of the track guys actually run a smaller rear sway bar on the 5.0s. The only difference between the two is that the Mustang's roll rate is faster than the 370s, so the 370 has better mass control in transition. This is a damper issue. The Tokicos on the 5.0 (the rear at least) feel like they are tuned for the 370Z... the only problem is the 5.0 carries more weight so they can't keep up as well at higher speed cornering. Under 60mph or so they are fine.

Precision: The Z has a lot of built in oversteer (thank you stagger!). Push it hard and you know what this feels like. The 5.0 has the better balance. It rotates the center of the corner a lot easier than the 370 does. If anything it's got more of a hint of oversteer at the limit. The Z is precise, though. It's more "point and shoot" than the 5.0. Just make sure you don't carry too much speed to the apex or you're going to push like hell. The 5.0 requires more work to drive fast... you have to be comfortable driving a "free" car.

The result: Two totally different feeling cars that accomplish pretty much the same damn thing on track (Excluding the straights).

b1adesofcha0s · 01-03-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Why do we always have to fight against a Mustang

Cuz we gave those horses a lick and they taste just like raisins.

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Why do we always have to fight against a Mustang

I don't know. All I know is it's never a good idea to pull performance numbers out of your a$$.

Cmike2780 · 01-03-2012, 03:49 PM

Where this thread is heading:

phelan · 01-03-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Where this thread is heading:

there needs to be a branch in there somewhere for a 300ZX and a WRX.

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

there needs to be a branch in there somewhere for a 300ZX and a WRX.

Don't forget the WS6.

Cmike2780 · 01-03-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

there needs to be a branch in there somewhere for a 300ZX and a WRX.

I picked the 3 best cars. No way a 300zx or WRX could be better than a Miata :P

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 03:56 PM

I've attacked this thread with knowledge and experience. Now I am going to drive home. If it is still here when I get there, we'll see what kind of fun we can have.

phelan · 01-03-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I picked the 3 best cars. No way a 300zx or WRX could be better than a Miata :P

oh no you didn't.

sixpax · 01-03-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm

18 years old, V6 Mustang, nuff' said.

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

oh no you didn't.

Mud flaps son. Mud flaps.

Cmike2780 · 01-03-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mud flaps son. Mud flaps.

lolz

phelan · 01-03-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mud flaps son. Mud flaps.

because rally car.

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