Lots of wrecked Z's...

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

You keep changing the situation and conditions to try and force him to not pick the Viper!

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

You keep changing the situation and conditions to try and force him to not pick the Viper!

lol!

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

jesus christ... might as well ask "which of these cars would you rather drive in the middle of a blizzard, drunk, while getting a BJ from megan fox?" he said that he would feel comfortable driving any of them. enough said

so are you trying to figure out which is the best car to own just in case you need to recover or brake last minute if run into the circumstance that you are driving in terrible weather and not paying attention?

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

jesus christ... might as well ask "which of these cars would you rather drive in the middle of a blizzard, drunk, while getting a BJ from megan fox?" he said that he would feel comfortable driving any of them. enough said

so are you trying to figure out which is the best car to own just in case you need to recover or brake last minute if run into the circumstance that you are driving in terrible weather and not paying attention?

well, i can take care of the drunk part. mother nature is taking care of the blizzard. Now it's up to you to take care of getting me the BJ from megan fox part, and I'll be happy to test your theory

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

better balance + better handling = better daily driver?

if you are fretting accidental power oversteer, you shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects, much less a car

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

really? i thought this thread was actually about why so many people crash their Zs.

lets face it... none of this talk about handling,brake or weight bias, engine placement, horsepower etc really matters or is relevant to this thread. someone who will crash their g35 coupe into a tree would do the same thing in any car, it really doesn't matter. none of this talk about how a car behaves at the brink has anything to do with avoiding accidents. None of the people who post threads about crashing their Z did so at the track. Accidents happen because of a bad sequence of events and/or poor judgement. as far as single car accidents... its usually more the latter, and having more power and a more tail happy car doesn't help, but that has nothing to do with a car being a good daily driver.

if you really want the BEST Daily driver car, its probably going to be something in the 200-350hp range with awd. none of the cars we are talking about in this thread are really daily driver cars. Yes, you can drive them every day, but they aren't meant to get you to work rain or shine.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

And we're trying to figure out the best daily driver car. The point was that a less powerful car is easier and friendlier to drive on the streets than a more powerful car. i.e. a 370z would be easier to drive on the street than a z06 because less chances of power oversteer.

Wtf? When did that happen?

I thought we were talking about balance and handling? No wait, we were talking about whether to drive a Z06 or 370Z in the snow. Nah, we were talking about weight distribution and hard braking in the snow. Wrong again, we were trying to get Steve to say he wouldn't drive a Viper in the snow. Actually I meant to say that we're proving why the Corolla has less HP/TQ at full throttle than a Viper at idle. Actually, we were talking about rear ends wiggling and getting a BJ from Megan Fox.

Oh wait, I see it now. We were OBVIOUSLY trying to figure out the best daily driver car this whole time. How could I be so stupid and not see it earlier.

Alchemy · 12-28-2011, 11:23 AM

Lol 22 users now. This thread is so active its put the conference room on freeze. Got all the trolls, I mean OG's in here.

chris410 · 12-28-2011, 11:38 AM

Probably due to the fact that a lot of people who have wrecked their Z are new to RWD cars. That and simply driving over their heads. VDC...is turned off each time I start the car but that is my preference sun/rain I have never ran into any issues, the Z is a very balanced car so there's no issue with the Z itself.
Also, the Z is so smooth that I'd bet that a lot of people simply did not realize how fast they were going and ended up in a situation which caused them to wreck. I do think that traction control on cars is a good idea since it will help drivers who well...how do I say it nicely...simply can't drive!

Of course, I am talking single driver incidents. The Z is fast enough to get you into trouble if you don't know what you're doing.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:40 AM

A totally controllable "wiggle" in a forward-biased car is not instability under braking. Try hard braking on a car with a lot of rear weight and then come back and talk about braking instability!

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

A totally controllable "wiggle" in a forward-biased car is not instability under braking. Try hard braking on a car with a lot of rear weight and then come back and talk about braking instability!

I never mentioned a lot of rear weight. Obviously rear weight bias is also undesirable. My point was that a near 50/50 weight balance is better under braking in low traction condition than a very front-heavy car.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

I never mentioned a lot of rear weight. Obviously rear weight bias is also undesirable. My point was that a near 50/50 weight balance is better under braking in low traction condition than a very front-heavy car.

Well if that was your point you didn't do a very good job arguing it initially.

I still like to go back to what started this all, which is the fact that I was dumbfounded by your claim to be able to assess the superiority of one RWD car when you have never, ever, ever driven another RWD car in your life. It just doesn't make any sense.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well if that was your point you didn't do a very good job arguing it initially.

I still like to go back to what started this all, which is the fact that I was dumbfounded by your claim to be able to assess the superiority of one RWD car when you have never, ever, ever driven another RWD car in your life. It just doesn't make any sense.

Well at least now you get my point. And I didn't talk about superiority. I wanted to talk about "street manners" (to borrow a word from red). Basically a z will be easier to handle on the street than a corvette because it has better "street manners",

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Well at least now you get my point. And I didn't talk about superiority. I wanted to talk about "street manners" (to borrow a word from red). Basically a z will be easier to handle on the street than a corvette because it has better "street manners",

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

How can you even make that claim when you have no experience? That's the point. And you've been dancing around it like nobody's business.

KillerBee370 · 12-28-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I constantly see posts on here about it, and now that I am planning on getting one I am done talking crap and am worried.

What happens most often? Back end snaps around suddenly in corners with no warning? People are hitting corners and the car is pushing and they aren't balancing with the brake and are sliding into things? Freak bad luck with wet roads or something? Idiots nailing the throttle in a corner?

None of the above. It's called Shit happens.

12-28-2011, 11:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
Alchemy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jersey Age: 45 Posts: 4,855 Drives: to acquire tickets Rep Power: 3525	Lol 22 users now. This thread is so active its put the conference room on freeze. Got all the trolls, I mean OG's in here. __________________ Ryan 314WHP \| 260LB-FT \| STILLEN \| KONI \| SWIFT \| STOPTECH \| Z1 \| PROJECT MU \| CNT \| UPREV \| FORGESTAR \| BRIDGESTONE \| PWJDM \| ENEOS \| MOTUL

12-28-2011, 11:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 16	Probably due to the fact that a lot of people who have wrecked their Z are new to RWD cars. That and simply driving over their heads. VDC...is turned off each time I start the car but that is my preference sun/rain I have never ran into any issues, the Z is a very balanced car so there's no issue with the Z itself. Also, the Z is so smooth that I'd bet that a lot of people simply did not realize how fast they were going and ended up in a situation which caused them to wreck. I do think that traction control on cars is a good idea since it will help drivers who well...how do I say it nicely...simply can't drive! Of course, I am talking single driver incidents. The Z is fast enough to get you into trouble if you don't know what you're doing. __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

12-28-2011, 11:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	A totally controllable "wiggle" in a forward-biased car is not instability under braking. Try hard braking on a car with a lot of rear weight and then come back and talk about braking instability! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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