Lots of wrecked Z's...

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

so if it's a monsoon out there, with flooded roads and lots of rainfall, and you have the keys to a 370z, and a corvette z06, which one will you take?

better balanced/better handling now means: better control in snow?

if so:

TRICK QUESTION: take the subaru

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

better balanced/better handling now means: better control in snow?

if so:

TRICK QUESTION: take the subaru

That's true. Balance honestly doesn't mean a damn thing in the snow given the availability of traction and the speeds you will be travelling at. Assuming the same drive-type, tires are the only things that really mater in snow.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

even though i owe you nothing, i did in fact drive the z on the track about a dozen times. and yes, i was pretty fast. not the fastest. but fast enough to lose control a few times and spin off. there are youtube videos of me. but we're not talking about track here. we're talking about driving on the street going to get groceries or going to the movies. that's my point, which is that on the street, on rain, or even snow, a z is an easier and friendlier car to drive than a 500 hp z06 corvette.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

fast enough to lose control a few times and spin off.

:|

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Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's true. Balance honestly doesn't mean a damn thing in the snow given the availability of traction and the speeds you will be travelling at. Assuming the same drive-type, tires are the only things that really mater in snow.

bad balance is actually great in snow. tons of weight over the front axle means you can turn and stop very easily in poor traction conditions.

Alchemy · 12-28-2011, 11:41 AM

19 active users on this thread right now. Lol lots of

goin on.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

bad balance is actually great in snow. tons of weight over the front axle means you can turn and stop very easily in poor traction conditions.

Yeah, that's actually true... if you have snow tires!

FL 4Motion · 12-28-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I constantly see posts on here about it, and now that I am planning on getting one I am done talking crap and am worried.

What happens most often? Back end snaps around suddenly in corners with no warning? People are hitting corners and the car is pushing and they aren't balancing with the brake and are sliding into things? Freak bad luck with wet roads or something? Idiots nailing the throttle in a corner?

1. You're not a newb to driving a rwd car, you'll be fine.
2. You're not an idiot whose going to be trying to reinact his favorite f&f car chase scene every time he gets a chance.
3. You have common sense and will drive according to traffic and weather conditions etc.

FL 4Motion · 12-28-2011, 11:44 AM

oh, and

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

1. You're not a newb to driving a rwd car, you'll be fine.
2. You're not an idiot whose going to be trying to reinact his favorite f&f car chase scene every time he gets a chance.
3. You have common sense and will drive according to traffic and weather conditions etc.

If you have the sense to do a full-on Noveske build you probably have enough common sense to handle a high power RWD car safely.

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

even though i owe you nothing, i did in fact drive the z on the track about a dozen times. and yes, i was pretty fast. not the fastest. but fast enough to lose control a few times and spin off. there are youtube videos of me. but we're not talking about track here. we're talking about driving on the street going to get groceries or going to the movies. that's my point, which is that on the street, on rain, or even snow, a z is an easier and friendlier car to drive than a 500 hp z06 corvette.

the best way to avoid accidents on the street is defensive driving. Defensive driving has much more of an impact then how well you can throw your car around a corner at a road course. Every time i approach an intersection, i assume some a-hole is going to make a left turn in front of me because they aren't paying attention.

horsepower doesn't matter in snow or inclement weather. Does horsepower matter when you stop? no. A high HP car will only handle worse in the snow/rain than a lower hp car if the driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing anyway, which is getting on the throttle hard during the turn.

most snow accidents aren't the result of accelerating and lost traction. They are when someone tries to stop and the car keeps sliding. or when they try to turn and the car keeps going straight.

Z's just seem like they are more accident prone because they are less expensive than corvettes and more accessible to people will poorer judgement.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

bad balance is actually great in snow. tons of weight over the front axle means you can turn and stop very easily in poor traction conditions.

i disagree. it also means the rear of the car is prone to losing traction, especially under braking. i used to have a chrysler intrepid, and all the drivetrain (engine, gearbox, diff) was IN FRONT of the front wheels. brake a bit too hard and the back end would get light on its wheels. Occasionally that led to a bit of minor fishtailing under braking. Nothing the ABS didn't fix but it still did happen.

Alchemy · 12-28-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

the best way to avoid accidents on the street is defensive driving. Defensive driving has much more of an impact then how well you can throw your car around a corner at a road course. Every time i approach an intersection, i assume some a-hole is going to make a left turn in front of me because they aren't paying attention.

horsepower doesn't matter in snow or inclement weather. Does horsepower matter when you stop? no. A high HP car will only handle worse in the snow/rain than a lower hp car if the driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing anyway, which is getting on the throttle hard during the turn.

most snow accidents aren't the result of accelerating and lost traction. They are when someone tries to stop and the car keeps sliding. or when they try to turn and the car keeps going straight.

Z's just seem like they are more accident prone because they are less expensive than corvettes and more accessible to people will poorer judgement.

I completely agree with Jeff here. Defensive driving is super important. Im constantly ready for some d1ckbag to pull something stupid.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

i disagree. it also means the rear of the car is prone to losing traction, especially under braking. i used to have a chrysler intrepid, and all the drivetrain (engine, gearbox, diff) was IN FRONT of the front wheels. brake a bit too hard and the back end would get light on its wheels. Occasionally that led to a bit of minor fishtailing under braking. Nothing the ABS didn't fix but it still did happen.

You were going too fast for the conditions. I can get the back end to step out in my car on snow tires under braking if I am going too fast...

More rear weight makes the rear of the car want to overtake the front when you attempt to stop quickly... especially if turning. If you have more weight on the front, the car tends to track much straighter... Simple physics.

There's a reason why the older 911s were notorious for ridiculous amounts of oversteer... all that weight over the rear axle.

toxik · 12-28-2011, 11:54 AM

I'm not going to be the one to say it, but lets face it, a lot of 370z's are being totaled as insurance fraud simply because the owners realize they rather own a 5.0

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

the best way to avoid accidents on the street is defensive driving. Defensive driving has much more of an impact then how well you can throw your car around a corner at a road course. Every time i approach an intersection, i assume some a-hole is going to make a left turn in front of me because they aren't paying attention.

horsepower doesn't matter in snow or inclement weather. Does horsepower matter when you stop? no. A high HP car will only handle worse in the snow/rain than a lower hp car if the driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing anyway, which is getting on the throttle hard during the turn.

most snow accidents aren't the result of accelerating and lost traction. They are when someone tries to stop and the car keeps sliding. or when they try to turn and the car keeps going straight.

Z's just seem like they are more accident prone because they are less expensive than corvettes and more accessible to people will poorer judgement.

indeed, an a-hole making a left turn is what destroyed my car a month ago. I agree with almost all you're saying. Except, that higher hp cars are still more difficult to handle than lower hp cars. Even at partial throttle, a car with a bigger engine will still be delivering more torque to the wheels than a car with a smaller engine assuming the same throttle position. More torque delivered to the wheels increases the chances of power oversteer. Especially with a car like a corvette or a viper that produces a lot of torque even at very low rpm.

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