Lots of wrecked Z's...

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

How can you even make that assessment when you admit you've never driven a Corvette... or any other RWD for that matter? It's not possible.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:07 AM

I am floored right now. All of this time you have been talking about the Z out classing other RWD cars and now you admit you've never even driven any other RWD car but the Z. Oh lawd have mercy.

roplusbee · 12-28-2011, 11:13 AM

The VDC will definitely keep you out of a ditch if you respect the car. With that said, I have managed to swing the tail out with VDC on (I did this intentionally to learn the limits of the system). The Z is very predictable with VDC off, but not nearly as forgiving to those who panic or are idiots. If you have driven any RWD car, understand the basics, and respect the machine........you will have no problems with it. I cannot vouch for the others out on the road though. They may actually hit you staring in your window or at your car, lol.............

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

How can you even make that assessment when you admit you've never driven a Corvette... or any other RWD for that matter? It's not possible.

it comes with a little bit of understeer. corvettes have quite a bit of oversteer. for driving on the road, a understeer is more predictable and easier to handle than oversteer. especially when traction is low and the road is slippery.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

How can you even make that assessment when you admit you've never driven a Corvette... or any other RWD for that matter? It's not possible.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I am floored right now. All of this time you have been talking about the Z out classing other RWD cars and now you admit you've never even driven any other RWD car but the Z. Oh lawd have mercy.

If you haven't driven any RWD car other than the Z, how can you possibly compare it to anything else? It's one thing to have an opinion on a comparison between two cars if you have experienced both of them, but making a comparison on a non-existent experience just makes no sense.

I've only once lost control of my Z and that was because the tires were a little wet after driving through some puddles. Also because I turned VDC off and pushed it hard on a sharp turn. I was able to get the car under control, but not before I ran out of road. I would blame my inexperience with RWD cars for that one though.

Nismo89 · 12-28-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I constantly see posts on here about it, and now that I am planning on getting one I am done talking crap and am worried.

What happens most often? Back end snaps around suddenly in corners with no warning? People are hitting corners and the car is pushing and they aren't balancing with the brake and are sliding into things? Freak bad luck with wet roads or something? Idiots nailing the throttle in a corner?

speed kills. plain and simple. its not the car that pushes the gas pedal and steers. the person behind the wheel has to do it. if you dont speed. it wont get wrecked plain and simple., drive smart

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it comes with a little bit of understeer. corvettes have quite a bit of oversteer. for driving on the road, a understeer is more predictable and easier to handle than oversteer. especially when traction is low and the road is slippery.

no. they still understeer, just not horrendously.

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette.BASED ON WHAT? it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

it comes with a little bit of understeer. corvettes have quite a bit of oversteer. for driving on the road, a understeer is more predictable and easier to handle than oversteer. especially when traction is low and the road is slippery.

Nice theory, but go out and put it into practice before you make assessments like this. A Corvette will not run into a snap oversteer condition like you described unless you give it too much throttle... just like the Z. In fact, the Vettes themselves are fairly neutral with a bit of understeer... unless you overpower the rear tires.

And whether understeer or oversteer is easier to control is 100% up to the driver.

Jeffblue · 12-28-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

hahah. yea seriously. so, in your opinion, the Z handles better than a car that you've never driven? And you know exactly how to cure the understeer at the track, which based on the fact that the Z is your first RWD Car, i seriously doubt you've taken it to auto X, much less a road course, and even if you did, you probably drove it gingerly (as anyone would if they are an inexperienced driver). but please, continue talking about the handling characteristics of a car you've never driven, and continue talking about how to handle a Z on a track, a place you've probably never been.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

How can you even make that assessment when you admit you've never driven a Corvette... or any other RWD for that matter? It's not possible.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:28 AM

well, overpowering the rear tires won't be too hard when you have 500 hp on tap. i definitely would never drive a vette on snow, even with snow tires and all the electronic nannies active.

also, understeer is easier to control in a panic situation. it's a natural reflex to freeze up and slam on the brakes when in panic mode making split second decision. it's counterintuitive and needs a lot of practice to countersteer, and avoid touching the brakes. it takes a much more experienced driver to deal with oversteer in an emergency. that's why most cars, even rwd cars, come from the factory with understeer dialed in.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

well, overpowering the rear tires won't be too hard when you have 500 hp on tap. i definitely would never drive a vette on snow, even with snow tires and all the electronic nannies active.

also, understeer is easier to control in a panic situation. it's a natural reflex to freeze up and slam on the brakes when in panic mode making split second decision. it's counterintuitive and needs a lot of practice to countersteer, and avoid touching the brakes. it takes a much more experienced driver to deal with oversteer in an emergency. that's why most cars, even rwd cars, come from the factory with understeer dialed in.

You're still ignoring the primary point, which is the fact that the 370Z is the ONLY RWD car you have ever driven yet you feel qualified enough to assess it as a better balanced car than something you have never, ever driven.

The only reason I even dare to compare the 370Z to a 5.0, Cayman, Vette, 911, etc. is because I have driven them all!!!

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

hahah. yea seriously. so, in your opinion, the Z handles better than a car that you've never driven? And you know exactly how to cure the understeer at the track, which based on the fact that the Z is your first RWD Car, i seriously doubt you've taken it to auto X, much less a road course, and even if you did, you probably drove it gingerly (as anyone would if they are an inexperienced driver). but please, continue talking about the handling characteristics of a car you've never driven, and continue talking about how to handle a Z on a track, a place you've probably never been.

even though i owe you nothing, i did in fact drive the z on the track about a dozen times. and yes, i was pretty fast. not the fastest. but fast enough to lose control a few times and spin off. there are youtube videos of me. but we're not talking about track here. we're talking about driving on the street going to get groceries or going to the movies. that's my point, which is that on the street, on rain, or even snow, a z is an easier and friendlier car to drive than a 500 hp z06 corvette.

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

You're still ignoring the primary point, which is the fact that the 370Z is the ONLY RWD car you have ever driven yet you feel qualified enough to assess it as a better balanced car than something you have never, ever driven.

The only reason I even dare to compare the 370Z to a 5.0, Cayman, Vette, 911, etc. is because I have driven them all!!!

so if it's a monsoon out there, with flooded roads and lots of rainfall, and you have the keys to a 370z, and a corvette z06, which one will you take?

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

so if it's a monsoon out there, with flooded roads and lots of rainfall, and you have the keys to a 370z, and a corvette z06, which one will you take?

It doesn't matter... either one would be fine for me. The Z06 only has 500hp when you want it to have 500hp...

b1adesofcha0s · 12-28-2011, 11:36 AM

There's a difference between better balance/handling and easier to control.

12-28-2011, 11:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I am floored right now. All of this time you have been talking about the Z out classing other RWD cars and now you admit you've never even driven any other RWD car but the Z. Oh lawd have mercy. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-28-2011, 11:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 22	The VDC will definitely keep you out of a ditch if you respect the car. With that said, I have managed to swing the tail out with VDC on (I did this intentionally to learn the limits of the system). The Z is very predictable with VDC off, but not nearly as forgiving to those who panic or are idiots. If you have driven any RWD car, understand the basics, and respect the machine........you will have no problems with it. I cannot vouch for the others out on the road though. They may actually hit you staring in your window or at your car, lol............. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

12-28-2011, 11:28 AM	#25 (permalink)
Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	well, overpowering the rear tires won't be too hard when you have 500 hp on tap. i definitely would never drive a vette on snow, even with snow tires and all the electronic nannies active. also, understeer is easier to control in a panic situation. it's a natural reflex to freeze up and slam on the brakes when in panic mode making split second decision. it's counterintuitive and needs a lot of practice to countersteer, and avoid touching the brakes. it takes a much more experienced driver to deal with oversteer in an emergency. that's why most cars, even rwd cars, come from the factory with understeer dialed in. __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler

12-28-2011, 11:36 AM	#30 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	There's a difference between better balance/handling and easier to control. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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