Originally Posted by travisjb as for the 'snobby stigma'... i just don't get that - at all... the porsche club i run with is about as middle class and down
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06-12-2009, 08:29 AM | #46 (permalink) | |
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I would take a Cayman, it's a great car. But like Travis already said, beyond the initial purchase cost it is expensive to maintain and modify for track. |
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... there is definitely some of that, but I think it is more the general population of 911 owners than it is the guys/gals that take their porsche to the track.... 911 owners that go to the track routinely get their asses kicked by boxsters, caymans, and especially 914s... it was always a special thrill to get by a 911 in my boxster... same will be true when we get by GTRs in our 370s !
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The new '09' Cayman S with PDK, PASM and the Sport Chrono package is an interesting car. I drove one last week at a local dealer while I had them check an item on my '08' S. It's the first car I have driven in a long time that I'd take to the track and not mod for a time.
But no matter how you slice it the 370 is still the most bang for the buck in today's market. Have any of you ever walked into your garage and not smiled when you looked at your Z? That was never an issue for me. BTW, in a perfect world I'd want the feel of the Cayman S transmission with the rev match of the Z. I think that would be better than PDK.
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Body lean =0
Just a word to the wise, the NISMO shocks, springs and sway bar, on my Z, have pretty much removed the body lean. No dips, no lean. Worth the money. Still 20K less than Cayman.
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The new Boxster S with PDK is putting up some amazing numbers considering its specs
From R&T 0-60: 4.1 seconds 0-100: 10.3 seconds 1/4 mile: 12.6 seconds @ 110.2 C&D also pulled a 4.3 to 60 not sure on the 1/4 or traps |
06-12-2009, 07:45 PM | #51 (permalink) |
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PDK is awesome for performance. Not to start a trannie debate (no, please, no!), but if it is lap times and 1/4 mile times you're looking for, any porsche buyer has to be compelled by PDK.
I drove a new PDK and PASM equipped 997S a few months back and I was seriously impressed. As Alan said about the Cayman PDK, same with the 997 PDK... It would be so easy to track that car stock, you could almost lease one, slap on some sticky tires and return it 3 years later with Porsche none the wiser... not that I'm recommending that or anything! |
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For more noticeable power you could twin turbo the Z. If you blew it up you could put a new engine in it and still be below the price of an S with PDK
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06-13-2009, 01:29 AM | #55 (permalink) | |
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I had a 350Z with coil overs, sways, headers, exhaust, intake, tune, and just about everything under the sun I can throw at it, including massive 19" super-light forged rims (19 lbs), fat R-comp rubber (245/275), and an oversized brake kit... And my MZ4 Coupe was faster than the 350Z fresh out of the box. Bone stock. And not just a little bit faster. SIGNIFICANTLY faster. And the Cayman S I drove were every bit the equal to my MZ4 Coupe. Yes, you pay a lot more for Porsche. But there's a good reason. And trust me, I'm no Porsche fanboi. I hate Porsche with a passion. I'd sooner commit ritual suicide by slicing open my stomach, than BUY a Porsche. |
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06-15-2009, 03:40 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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I just purchased a Certified preowned Cayman S this weekend... 2006, 15,500 miles, PASM, Sport Chrono Plus, Package, NAV and warranty that will run three months and 48,500 miles longer. Clean history, dealer maintained, single owner. I paid only a couple $K more than a 370 touring +Sport & Nav... I just couldn't pass it up for that price... it just fit me like a glove! Last edited by -EAD-; 06-15-2009 at 04:12 PM. |
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This article was the biggest crock o sh!t I ever read. Look, we know there's a refinement
In porsche that's unmistakable. But the avg lateral g for porsche is .95g where the Nissan 370 w sport package is .98g. So yeah the porsche might feel better in the twisties but the Z is holding harder. And funny how all of a sudden body roll is a good thing. The corvette zr1 gets highest Praise for its 1.01g and lack of body roll. It always seems that when a car is from a certain race or country they always find a way to give kudos. The corporate anglo U.S. and the Aryan masters Always make the perfect car. Oh yeah not to mention the brits who's cars spend the most time in the shop. But when the asian car market breaks through. Its always praised in stand alone tests. Then When its time for the comparo. Its always some kind of condescending compliments yet highly critical In a negative way. The asian sports car is always great till it stacks against the american ponies or German snob mobiles. N no I'm not Asian. Its just my extensive reading of various car mags. Its insulting to me as a human. The only reason camry civic and accord aren't beat so hard is because we build those cars here and hold a big stake in the profits. N though performance of those cars have become generic and hum drum. These cars still receive high praise. Why cuz america makes money off those models. These cars honestly haven't been anything special since 2002. I can buy a chevy malibu n save money by comparison. The nissan and mazda marks have been giving uncompomised performance and handling in its price range without question. Hyundai is following suit. But having owned 4 american cars. N 3 japanese cars. There's no substitute in the price range. All this is corporate bribes with a subculture of racial superiority. I have no gripes with any race. But its just an obervation I been noticing for years When it comes to japanese and asian cars. Lin the end porsche is a porsche. There will be thingz about it a less expensive car Won't match. But my observation driving the Z tells me that this car can hang a lot harder Than they r leading u 2 believe. Don't believe the hype. Test drive both. That will be my next test drive. |
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"to bring the Cayman along to the new Z's European launch. Bringing a gun to a knife fight as it were." This quote right here shows how much they are exaggerating. |
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