Sales Totals 350 & 370 Z

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You can't even determine that until we see what the capabilities of the next gen japanese imports are like??? No other NA v6 domestic or import is as fast as the Z in the price range. No car in its price range can put down the numbers and have the level over overall balance that the Z has. I'm not saying the Z is the best car out there? But there is no other car in the price range that can put down this much power while cutting corners the way this car does while giving the driver a complete sense of feeling at one with the car. Its a formula that's rarely done on a high powered car unless you buy a porsche or better.

Only time will tell.

Like my opinion in the post you quoted, all of those points are subjective. I just think that years from now it will be just another one of those nice sports cars from yesterday that people would love to get their hands on (if societal circumstance allows) as a project car, weekend toy, racer, etc... just maybe a little harder to find than a 350. I don't necessarily see it being a "collectible" in the truest sense of the word...

Oh well, I don't really understand the "sports car tradition" so it doesn't even matter.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-06-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Like my opinion in the post you quoted, all of those points are subjective. I just think that years from now it will be just another one of those nice sports cars from yesterday that people would love to get their hands on (if societal circumstance allows) as a project car, weekend toy, racer, etc... just maybe a little harder to find than a 350. I don't necessarily see it being a "collectible" in the truest sense of the word...

Oh well, I don't really understand the "sports car tradition" so it doesn't even matter.

Excuse me...someone like you doesn't need to understand it... I forgot that you own Barrett-Jackson and you are the oficianado of what will become a classic 25 years from now.

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Excuse me...someone like you doesn't need to understand it... I forgot that you own Barrett-Jackson and you are the oficianado of what will become a classic 25 years from now.

We don't see eye to eye much, Unknown, but I respect your passion.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-06-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

We don't see eye to eye much, Unknown, but I respect your passion.

it just seems that way. You just take the notes on where we don't agree and forget quickly where we have agreed.

bigdog1250 · 12-06-2011, 07:19 PM

That means us with a 40th have a 1 in 30 car. I like that stat

Red__Zed · 12-06-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Excuse me...someone like you doesn't need to understand it... I forgot that you own Barrett-Jackson and you are the oficianado of what will become a classic 25 years from now.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

it just seems that way. You just take the notes on where we don't agree and forget quickly where we have agreed.

We will always disagree on whether "oficianado" is a word

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

it just seems that way. You just take the notes on where we don't agree and forget quickly where we have agreed.

Oh I remember where we have agreed

I was just giving you a hard time because you never responded to my comments in the other thread re: sports car tradition.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-06-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

We will always disagree on whether "oficianado" is a word

Oficionado is a spanish word. It means to make official. Its a word. Lol you learn something new everyday.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-06-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Oh I remember where we have agreed

I was just giving you a hard time because you never responded to my comments in the other thread re: sports car tradition.

Oh that was one of those threads that I got bored with quickly and didn't go back. Lol. I don't even know what you wrrote back. Lol.

Alchemy · 12-06-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

More collectible than some plain old boring Mustang for sure.

Cant say I dont agree

Buuuuutttt the 370, a collectors item, I doubt it.

Waiz · 12-06-2011, 07:49 PM

Wow, that's pretty staggering

This econonic downturn really took a toll on sales.

Alchemy · 12-06-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

Wow, that's pretty staggering

This econonic downturn really took a toll on sales.

So has the uprising of mullet donning hicks.

Red__Zed · 12-06-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Oficionado is a spanish word. It means to make official. Its a word. Lol you learn something new everyday.

google says it isn't.

Back on topic, I'm curious what traits the Z has besides dismal sales that make people think it will be a classic. There are a couple traits that help raise a car's chances of being collectible after it is gone, and I don't see how the Z really meets any of them...

Historical Significance
Racing history, changing dynamic of a market, etc. Cars like the vette and 64.5 mustang fall into this category. So do many exotics.

The Z is at best an evolution of the 350z.

Lust factor
Cars that people want to own, but can't...then later in life, they can, and are willing to pay extravagantly for it. Top line cars, and many supercars fall into this category.

Most people that want a Z just ******* buy one. It isn't at all exclusive. My dad paid more for his Accord than I did for my Z. Beyond that, the motivation to WANT one is really not that high-- it's not like it was a Bond car...it is not even getting a lot of vendor attention like the supra and 300zx did.

Difficulty to find in good condition

Stuff like this starts to drive prices up early, and it is really what makes some older cars incredibly expensive. If you look around this forum,more than half spend most of their life obsessing over keeping their Z scratch free, and in good condition for their kids to trade in on STIs or whatever. Back in the day, people drove the wheels off their cars, and didn't sell them 3 years after purchase...which means that very few survived, thus driving up the value(of course, only for cars that people WANTED. You don't see much demand for old pintos)

Limited production

I'm not talking 10k a year, I'm talking true limited production...and again, it has to be a car people want. Nobody is thinking the RX8 will be a collectible, but the RX7 is almost a shoe-in. What is the difference? The RX7 is one of the greatest cars ever made...many people felt the 93 model was a better car than the viper of the same year....the RX8 couldn't compete with a mustang. And check out the production numbers:
3rd Gen Mazda RX-7 Production Numbers

There are less FDs out there than there are Z's, and even fewer turbo variants....

Long before the 370z is in a high dollar auction, you'll see bidding wars for FDs, Z32TTs, Supra TT, etc...hell, I think there were more 370z's sold than ap2s

Alchemy · 12-06-2011, 09:12 PM

^

Red__Zed · 12-06-2011, 09:14 PM

I was actually shocked to see those AP2 vs Z34 sales numbers. I had no clue.

12-06-2011, 07:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
bigdog1250 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 846 Drives: 991.2 GT3 Rep Power: 18	That means us with a 40th have a 1 in 30 car. I like that stat __________________ 350z / 40th 370z / C6 Z06 / BMW M4 / V10 R8 / C7 Grand Spot / 997.1 GT3 / S2K / Camaro ZL1 / 718 GTS / 991.2 GT3

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Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	Wow, that's pretty staggering This econonic downturn really took a toll on sales.

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