The Z's future

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by themann1984

All of this talk of energy sources, environmental considerations, and power distribution is a waste of effort. If we want to really solve these problems in the long run we need to focus on reducing the number of people on this planet.

So, what we should be discussing is how to distribute condoms and family planning pamphlets.

I think a hybrid Z would be silly. From my understanding a hybrid would add considerable weight and not add any more power than what could be added with turbos. Thus, it is a compromise.

An electric Z could be good. While the batteries would be heavy, they could be placed almost anywhere in the car and distributed however you wanted them to be. No oil changes would also be a cool feature. And if you could put motors on each wheel you could have a killer all-wheel drive set-up. It could be created to be similar to the GTR's ATTESA system.

The 370Z is pure sex! It is hot, loud, and rough!

Agree with you 100% on everything. I even posted how nice the planet would be with a billion people instead of the 7 billion we have today.

Rui Z · 12-01-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by themann1984

I think a hybrid Z would be silly. From my understanding a hybrid would add considerable weight and not add any more power than what could be added with turbos. Thus, it is a compromise.

An electric Z could be good. While the batteries would be heavy, they could be placed almost anywhere in the car and distributed however you wanted them to be. No oil changes would also be a cool feature. And if you could put motors on each wheel you could have a killer all-wheel drive set-up. It could be created to be similar to the GTR's ATTESA system.

The 370Z is pure sex! It is hot, loud, and rough!

You make a great point. I would rather have an all electric Z than a hybrid Z. You'll have to change your usual quote to "It is cool, quiet, and smooth!" though.

Spikuh · 12-01-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

What about the price we will pay WHEN mid-east explodes. Whether it is Iran blocking oil shipping lanes or oil producers like Saudi Arabia having a revolution & the people that hate us decide to cut our oil & sell to others(China/India). What about all our lakes/rivers desimated by acid rain from coal operated North East factories & electric producing companies. If we had all our cities getting electricity from nuke plants, think about all the extra oil we would have for gasoline production. 93 Sunoco could cost $1.29. You can heat ALL our homes with clean electricity. Clean air/clean waters/better life & energy independence. Well????

Keep it relevant please. This does not have a whole lot to do with the 2 conversations this thread has seems to have gravitated towards. It does somewhat, but we have already strayed away from the main topic enough, don't inject anything that could get this locked. And I am not saying I disagree/agree or anything in between, just that we need to be careful.

A lot of discussions like this can sway into taboo territory very easily and quickly.

Spikuh · 12-01-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

You are right in that the tsunami was what caused the total failure.

Buildings aren't really designed based on magnitudes though. Magnitude is just a measurement of how much energy the earthquake released. Buildings are designed based on how much ground acceleration the earthquake causes. In the Japan earthquake, even though the magnitude was one of the highest ever, the acceleration was pretty low (~0.5g). California tends to get higher accelerations though (Northridge >1.0g) which causes alot of building damage. I'd be more concerned about eathquake damage to nuclear plants in California.

Interesting, I have no experience with building design or anything outside of phone apps....

So would that mean the magnitude scale is more or less irrelevant when it comes to measuring the dangers of a given earthquake?

Would not surprise me if it was because I vaguely remember a couple interviews from the Japan incident with experts where it was mentioned the magnitude scale is a bit out of date.

Guess I have something to go research on now. I always love finding new things to figure out.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

Interesting, I have no experience with building design or anything outside of phone apps....

So would that mean the magnitude scale is more or less irrelevant when it comes to measuring the dangers of a given earthquake?

Would not surprise me if it was because I vaguely remember a couple interviews from the Japan incident with experts where it was mentioned the magnitude scale is a bit out of date.

Guess I have something to go research on now. I always love finding new things to figure out.

yeah, magnitude is very misleading.

edub370 · 12-01-2011, 09:23 PM

sooooo the moral of this thread is, keep internal combustion engines and keep burning fossil fuels.

the end

Spikuh · 12-01-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by themann1984

All of this talk of energy sources, environmental considerations, and power distribution is a waste of effort. If we want to really solve these problems in the long run we need to focus on reducing the number of people on this planet.

So, what we should be discussing is how to distribute condoms and family planning pamphlets.

I think a hybrid Z would be silly. From my understanding a hybrid would add considerable weight and not add any more power than what could be added with turbos. Thus, it is a compromise.

An electric Z could be good. While the batteries would be heavy, they could be placed almost anywhere in the car and distributed however you wanted them to be. No oil changes would also be a cool feature. And if you could put motors on each wheel you could have a killer all-wheel drive set-up. It could be created to be similar to the GTR's ATTESA system.

The 370Z is pure sex! It is hot, loud, and rough!

I have no idea how much the weight would increase if they made the Z a hybrid, but depending on how much the power increased with how much weight it added (and where of course) and if they could get set the suspension to handle the extra weight, this could be very benificial to not only the car, but the entire segment going forward.

I suspect that done properly, a hybrid would "outperform" a basic TT Z from the DD standpoint. On a track, I would think the opposite would be true just because the batteries would run out of juice.

And.....think about a TT, hybrid Z... That's like... a pipe und a crepe.

Spikuh · 12-01-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

sooooo the moral of this thread is, keep internal combustion engines and keep burning fossil fuels.

the end

Or, put nuclear reactors in them and make them self-sustaining electrics.

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

sooooo the moral of this thread is, keep internal combustion engines and keep burning fossil fuels.

the end

It goes where ever spikuh says it should go. Just don't go into taboo teritory

Skeeterbop · 12-01-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

Or, put nuclear reactors in them and make them self-sustaining electrics.

Haha, that would be badass! Would we all have to start wearing those special tags that tells how much radiation you have been exposed to? And if so, once you reach the limit are you not allowed to drive for the rest of that month/quarter/year?

mpusch · 12-01-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeeterbop

Haha, that would be badass! Would we all have to start wearing those special tags that tells how much radiation you have been exposed to? And if so, once you reach the limit are you not allowed to drive for the rest of that month/quarter/year?

Nope, you keep going. Growing a third leg is great for replacing heel/toe.

Cmike2780 · 12-01-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

When I said young people, I didn't mean you. The world had/has nuke plants for decades. Even with a tsunami & a magnitude 9 earthquake & 3 nuke reactors & much of their core under sea level, how many died from the tsunami, how many from the earthquike & how many from the nuke reactors?????? It's not like a nuke plant would have a spontaneous nuke bomb type explossion.

Even Chernobyl (the rusty, neglected at that time broken/broke Russia) Today(saw on tv) has a blossoming plant & animal haven. Reason given was that there was no human presence in the area. A little window on what would happen if human presence disappear

Chernobyl actually has an alarmingly high cancer rate. Hundreds of thousands were exposed. Yeah there are plants and animals, but the plants have arms and the animals glow in the dark. You can't reason and justify safety based on the number of deaths. We've had nuclear reactor for decades, but we are only just starting to understand the long term effects. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/index.html

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 11:46 PM

And one of the reasons that there aren't many deaths is BECAUSE of all of the safety precautions that are taken. The low number of deaths and catastrophic failures just proves how well they work.

I think the biggest things holding nuclear power plants back is lack of education among the general public and all the politics that gets in the way.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

And.....think about a TT, hybrid Z... That's like... a pipe und a crepe.

IIRC, Nissan wants to use a supercharger on their upcoming Altima hybrid.

Spikuh · 12-02-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

IIRC, Nissan wants to use a supercharger on their upcoming Altima hybrid.

That's pretty cool. You know if they are dropping the displacement or keeping the engines the same? If they keep the same engine, the supercharger would probably add another 50ish hp putting it in the 250 range. I like it!!!!

Now if only it was RWD....

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