The Z's future

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

LIKE WHAT REASON? Thousands die mining for coal & oil & their pollution kill even more. AGAIN, not a single person ever died in the U.S. from a nuke reactor.....

Ever designed a control system before?

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

The reason nuclear power has such a good record is partly because of the regulations. If it didn't, deaths would follow. Most/all forms of energy production have risks, nuclear included.

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

I think a lot of this has to do with lack of education of the subject.

If something were to go wrong at a nuclear plant, it could be far more disastrous than something like a coal fired power plant. It's always better to be safe than sorry.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

I feel kind of the opposite in this regard. I would say in theory, it is easier to make transitions like this when times are good and the economy is just rolling along but I would also say that during these times, people do not want change since that change can potientially stop the wheels and therefore in actuality, it is harder to make these fundamental changes when times are good.

I think this because I cannot come up with an instance where our government has ever been foreward thinking with regards to the well being of the citizens. It seems to always be reactionary to what has happened in the immediate past. Industry is a little different. They do definitely look to the future, but oftentimes it is driven by the idea of profits and not necessarily for the greater good of society.

I think the best times to make these fundamental shifts are when times are tough. People seem more willing to make changes and take risks when they down if for no other reason, they have nothing to lose and are desperate to get back on their feet.

Its kind of counter-intuitive I guess, but thats how my brain works sometimes. Hopefully this makes sense.

In theory, I agree. However, since I make my living convincing the government to spend money, I have to disagree in practice.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

The reason nuclear power has such a good record is partly because of the regulations. If it didn't, deaths would follow. Most/all forms of energy production have risks, nuclear included.

YES!

Difference with nuclear is the low cost risk is low (ie, unlikely to have some miners die), but there's a super high cost (though low risk) possibility that is not there with other methods of power generation.

elmz · 12-01-2011, 12:10 PM

I think at this point we don't have enough to base our opinions on. There hasn't been any great electric cars that can compete with great petrol cars. Petrol cars have been around for so long that we've seen them progress and evolve. We came from the Ford Model T to the Ferrari 458 Italia. We really can't compare current electric cars with modern day petrol cars because they need some time to evolve.

FreshFish · 12-01-2011, 01:28 PM

I wonder how many people here have ever driven a hybrid car? The transitions between the electric power plant to gas during idle isn't anything to desire, it feels clumsy and I thought there was something wrong with the car when I first got into one (hybrid Altima)... Lol. I hope they design whole new models instead of using the cars that built their heritage on the pure driving experience.

azn370z · 12-01-2011, 02:16 PM

The Nissan product planning chief said the z won't follow the direction that Toyota went with the 86 by making the z smaller and lighter. However if they bring out a smaller and lighter sports car it would be all electric. So why is everyone thinking the next z is going to be all electric or a hybrid?

dAvenue · 12-01-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

The Nissan product planning chief said the z won't follow the direction that Toyota went with the 86 by making the z smaller and lighter. However if they bring out a smaller and lighter sports car it would be all electric. So why is everyone thinking the next z is going to be all electric or a hybrid?

Theoretical discussions.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-01-2011, 02:37 PM

http://m.cbsnews.com/searchsynopsis....nb_splitPage=0

Even the government is getting tired with supporting hybrid tech. Lol.

dAvenue · 12-01-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

http://m.cbsnews.com/searchsynopsis....nb_splitPage=0

Even the government is getting tired with supporting hybrid tech. Lol

This makes me happy.

USMCram · 12-01-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

YES!

Difference with nuclear is the low cost risk is low (ie, unlikely to have some miners die), but there's a super high cost (though low risk) possibility that is not there with other methods of power generation.

I want your job...

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

The reason nuclear power has such a good record is partly because of the regulations. If it didn't, deaths would follow. Most/all forms of energy production have risks, nuclear included.

That's great. It's very safe, endless fuel supply in our own back yard, it's cheaper, the money stays in our country, by-product is steam, no ozone damage, no acid fish killer, no global warming damage & you say it's regulated. Great!!! So why don't we have them all over the place????????????????????????????????

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Ever designed a control system before?

Yes I did..... several......now what???????

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

If something were to go wrong at a nuclear plant, it could be far more disastrous than something like a coal fired power plant. It's always better to be safe than sorry.

Sorry buddy,
Thousands get murdered in the U.S. every year, thousands get killed in traffic accidents, people die from lightning, thousands, I can go on

Doesn't mean we shouldn't drive or go out of our safe houses. NOT ONE person died in the U.S. as a result of a Nuke power plant. Doesn't get better than that. What I'd like to know is, with such a great record, why are young people like you so spooked????

edub370 · 12-01-2011, 03:54 PM

Because we have history books with sections on chernobyl.

its not the immediate effect a meltdown could have on an area that scares people. its rendering that area COMPLETELY unliveable for years to come.

see: radioactive half life for more ino

12-01-2011, 01:28 PM	#156 (permalink)
FreshFish Base Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 201 Drives: on marshmallows Rep Power: 15	I wonder how many people here have ever driven a hybrid car? The transitions between the electric power plant to gas during idle isn't anything to desire, it feels clumsy and I thought there was something wrong with the car when I first got into one (hybrid Altima)... Lol. I hope they design whole new models instead of using the cars that built their heritage on the pure driving experience. __________________ // nismo // Berk // PW JDM // *WORK* Meister S1 3pc // *TOYO PROXES* // POWERTRIX //

12-01-2011, 02:16 PM	#157 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	The Nissan product planning chief said the z won't follow the direction that Toyota went with the 86 by making the z smaller and lighter. However if they bring out a smaller and lighter sports car it would be all electric. So why is everyone thinking the next z is going to be all electric or a hybrid? __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

12-01-2011, 02:37 PM	#159 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	http://m.cbsnews.com/searchsynopsis....nb_splitPage=0 Even the government is getting tired with supporting hybrid tech. Lol. Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 12-01-2011 at 02:41 PM.

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edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	Because we have history books with sections on chernobyl. its not the immediate effect a meltdown could have on an area that scares people. its rendering that area COMPLETELY unliveable for years to come. see: radioactive half life for more ino __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

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12-01-2011, 12:10 PM	#155 (permalink)
elmz Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 674 Drives: 2014 Porsche Boxster Rep Power: 17	I think at this point we don't have enough to base our opinions on. There hasn't been any great electric cars that can compete with great petrol cars. Petrol cars have been around for so long that we've seen them progress and evolve. We came from the Ford Model T to the Ferrari 458 Italia. We really can't compare current electric cars with modern day petrol cars because they need some time to evolve.