The Z's future

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

"Carry on some tradition"?????? Wow, why are you even here with a statement like that? S Its kinda hard to believe you are a true enthusiast of sports cars. I was actually paying attention to what you had to say and respected most of your opinions till you straight dismissed a huge reason why we get on forums everyday. I thought it was the commonality of loving these cars for what they are and also Love of tuning and everything that comes with it. Including our combustion engines. "Some tradition is why we buy Z's and why most buy muscle. I guess to you a sports car just means you are faster than most and that's it huh?

And the forefront of technology isn't so much all that true in the affordable sports car realm. A lot of that tech is hand me down tech from decade old exotics. The Z's SRM is a hand-me-down tech from DRM recalibrated to work on manuals. Vvel is just an update of older tech and the 7at is just dual overdrives. These are things that aren't huge breakthroughs. Its just improving on an old invention. Its not like the Z has the GTR tranny in it with other gadgetry and features. Your beloved mustang still rolling on a skate board suspension isn't screaming high tech at all. So I'm not sure where you get sports cars are at the forefront of technology? At least in the price range we are in.

Holy crap!

I didn't dismiss it at all.

You are acting like the community will totally fall apart if we get rid of the internal combustion engine. That's simply not true. We'll all still be here... we'll just be looking at different things.

Suspension stuff will be pretty much unchanged, but on the power side we won't be talking FI or bolt ons but we'll be talking tuning, battery packs, etc...

It doesn't ruin the tradition of sports cars or modding sports cars, it just changes it... Yes, it changes it A LOT, but it doesn't mean it will destroy it.

I'm very much an enthusiast. I'm just open-minded. It's kind of ridiculous for you to imply I'm not simply because I don't share the same opinion that EV or alternative fuels are going to destroy the "tradition" of sports cars.

You are very passionate about what you believe... I'll give you that.

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dAvenue

Care to explain why there is not a chance in hell for this?

I could say the same thing about EV vehicles. They are more expensive to manufacture, cost more to the consumer, produce dismal sales figures and do not contribute to a company's profit margin. Electric vehicles certainly do not exist to make money. The only reason they exist is to satisfy government regulations that dictate a company's overall carbon emissions score; EV cars lower that score.

Without question, the vast majority of money is made from sale of gasoline vehicles. Based on that alone, I can safely say there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that combustion engines will be obsolete in 30 years. The market for EV is too small and the cost of producing them is too large.

If you look at the political environment today domestic oil independence faces HUGE opposition. We can barely even drill offshore let alone tap into our land based oil stores.

There would have to be a huge political shift for us to get to the point where we could be self-sufficient with our own oil.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to it at all. I support it, in fact. I just don't think we can get there given our political climate.

Alchemy · 12-01-2011, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

"Carry on some tradition"?????? Wow, why are you even here with a statement like that? S Its kinda hard to believe you are a true enthusiast of sports cars. I was actually paying attention to what you had to say and respected most of your opinions till you straight dismissed a huge reason why we get on forums everyday. I thought it was the commonality of loving these cars for what they are and also Love of tuning and everything that comes with it. Including our combustion engines. "Some tradition is why we buy Z's and why most buy muscle. I guess to you a sports car just means you are faster than most and that's it huh?

And the forefront of technology isn't so much all that true in the affordable sports car realm. A lot of that tech is hand me down tech from decade old exotics. The Z's SRM is a hand-me-down tech from DRM recalibrated to work on manuals. Vvel is just an update of older tech and the 7at is just dual overdrives. These are things that aren't huge breakthroughs. Its just improving on an old invention. Its not like the Z has the GTR tranny in it with other gadgetry and features. Your beloved mustang still rolling on a skate board suspension isn't screaming high tech at all. So I'm not sure where you get sports cars are at the forefront of technology? At least in the price range we are in.

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

The high tech bits are up front.

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 07:55 AM

And don't ever question my love for "tradition," Unknown. You don't know a damn thing about me. There's a reason why I love Zs, Corvettes, Mustangs, 911s... "tradition."

Alchemy · 12-01-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The high tech bits are up front.

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 08:31 AM

In my OPINION(moderators

It would be nice to have sections where politics & other subjects would be allowed. While I'm at it, we are NOT that fragile(life is tough), & adults shouldn't be, so a little sense of humor & light fun interaction should not be treated as mean spirited. It is just my opinion, so please don't punish me. Then again with very little humor...................

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

In my OPINION(moderators

It would be nice to have sections where politics & other subjects would be allowed. While I'm at it, we are NOT that fragile(life is tough), & adults shouldn't be, so a little sense of humor & light fun interaction should not be treated as mean spirited. It is just my opinion, so please don't punish me. Then again with very little humor...................

Get out of here with your logic.

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 08:46 AM

I will say if we can find unlimited oil and continue on with our traditional engines I'll be all for it.

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I will say if we can find unlimited oil and continue on with our traditional engines I'll be all for it.

Well, if we don't do a thing about developing oil, & nuke energy, & electricity is made mostly by burning dirty coal & oil, well.................good luck

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 09:09 AM

Wonder if people had the same reaction with steam engines when the gasoline engines came out

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Wonder if people had the same reaction with steam engines when the gasoline engines came out

You'll never have a true performance vehicle that runs on gas! True performance vehicles run on hay and say NEEEEEIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

You'll never have a true performance vehicle that runs on gas! True performance vehicles run on hay and say NEEEEEIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Horse power in its most purest form. Real enthusiasts get their HP straight from the horses. Wanna mod it to make it faster? Throw on some light weight Nike horse shoes

edub370 · 12-01-2011, 09:18 AM

The future of cars enlies in us finding a replacement for gasoline that can run in internal combustion engines. making a slow "switch" to electric vehicles will NEVER happen in anyone on here's lifetime.

for instance, my car now runs on baby rabbits and orphan tears

Cmike2780 · 12-01-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

The future of cars enlies in us finding a replacement for gasoline that can run in internal combustion engines. making a slow "switch" to electric vehicles will NEVER happen in anyone on here's lifetime.

for instance, my car now runs on baby rabbits and orphan tears

My Z only uses hookers and cocaine, it gets really expensive.

12-01-2011, 07:55 AM	#110 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	And don't ever question my love for "tradition," Unknown. You don't know a damn thing about me. There's a reason why I love Zs, Corvettes, Mustangs, 911s... "tradition." __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-01-2011, 08:31 AM	#112 (permalink)
andre12031948 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: monticello new york 127 Posts: 1,095 Drives: 08 350z black 6m/t Rep Power: 0	I wish we had a political section In my OPINION(moderators It would be nice to have sections where politics & other subjects would be allowed. While I'm at it, we are NOT that fragile(life is tough), & adults shouldn't be, so a little sense of humor & light fun interaction should not be treated as mean spirited. It is just my opinion, so please don't punish me. Then again with very little humor...................

12-01-2011, 08:46 AM	#114 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I will say if we can find unlimited oil and continue on with our traditional engines I'll be all for it. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-01-2011, 09:09 AM	#116 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Wonder if people had the same reaction with steam engines when the gasoline engines came out __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

12-01-2011, 09:18 AM	#119 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	The future of cars enlies in us finding a replacement for gasoline that can run in internal combustion engines. making a slow "switch" to electric vehicles will NEVER happen in anyone on here's lifetime. for instance, my car now runs on baby rabbits and orphan tears __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

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