Why is our car so heavy?

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So which Evo is the heaviest?

i think now it is the MR touring. It's also like 40 grand

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 05:46 PM

In response to the OP, the Z weighs what it weighs because of:
size
quality materials
cool electronic gadgetry
safety equipment

The real answer, though, is: don't worry about it.

The z is pretty freaking light for what it is, 33xx well equipped is nothing to complain about, and the car drives a lot lighter than it is due to well-engineered vehicle dynamics. The Z feels razor sharp on almost any road, and I never really found myself wishing the car was lighter.

You lose more weight and your start losing the high speed stability the Z has (unless you add downforce), and since the car is not exactly hurting for torque, I see no reason to fret about the weight. Sure, it would be slightly faster around a track with a couple hundred less pounds, tenths of a second around a track don't mean much for the way most of us drive...

I think most of the guys that complain about the Z's weight need to spend more time driving and less time playing Forza. The Z's dynamic is sick, about as good of an experience as you can ask for...and isn't that why we love our cars?

Trips · 11-20-2011, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

In response to the OP, the Z weighs what it weighs because of:
size
quality materials
cool electronic gadgetry
safety equipment

The real answer, though, is: don't worry about it.

The z is pretty freaking light for what it is, 33xx well equipped is nothing to complain about, and the car drives a lot lighter than it is due to well-engineered vehicle dynamics. The Z feels razor sharp on almost any road, and I never really found myself wishing the car was lighter.

You lose more weight and your start losing the high speed stability the Z has (unless you add downforce), and since the car is not exactly hurting for torque, I see no reason to fret about the weight. Sure, it would be slightly faster around a track with a couple hundred less pounds, tenths of a second around a track don't mean much for the way most of us drive...

I think most of the guys that complain about the Z's weight need to spend more time driving and less time playing Forza. The Z's dynamic is sick, about as good of an experience as you can ask for...and isn't that why we love our cars?

daleks · 11-20-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

i think now it is the MR touring. It's also like 40 grand

The MR Touring ditches the aluminum roof and puts back on a steel one with a glass sunroof. A GSR compared to a standard MR just has different wheel well liners.

DarkZide · 11-20-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Sounds like you aren't very familiar with the EVO trim levels. The GSR weighs a lot less than that 3500lb figure you keep tossing out...
Evo X curb weight: 1,420–1,600 kg (3,131–3,527 lb)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not sure what you mean by there is nothing to substantiate that...those are independently posted weights on cars....

Sounds like you are full of crap. Thats weight from all countries. The american GSR is 3517 and the MR is 3572. You are wrong and making stuff up, as usual.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkZide

Sounds like you are full of crap. Thats weight from all countries. The american GSR is 3517 and the MR is 3572. You are wrong and making stuff up, as usual.

I don't buy manufacturer numbers, and true stock numbers are useless

Mitsu's weights are based on a full tank, nissan's are not. The Z probably has about 120lbs under an equivalently equipped GSR, and 200 under a loaded MR.

In track form (trunk cleared, no rear seats, etc,) the Mitsu is comparable, but the weight distribution is pretty eh.

DarkZide · 11-20-2011, 07:08 PM

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is.

If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

m4a1mustang · 11-20-2011, 07:13 PM

I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations.

The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I don't buy manufacturer numbers, and true stock numbers are useless

Mitsu's weights are based on a full tank, nissan's are not. The Z probably has about 120lbs under an equivalently equipped GSR, and 200 under a loaded MR.

In track form (trunk cleared, no rear seats, etc,) the Mitsu is comparable, but the weight distribution is pretty eh.

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Originally Posted by DarkZide

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is.

If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

I'm talking cleared trunk/seats, etc, and I'm really only concerned with independent weightings. I've seen the Z tested as high as 3425, and I know it doesn't weigh that much....

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations.

The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction.

It did. Cleared trunk, no rear, etc, like I said in the post.

m4a1mustang · 11-20-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It did. Cleared trunk, no rear, etc, like I said in the post.

This is what happens when I don't read anything.

I missed that.

Jordo! · 11-20-2011, 08:26 PM

The Z could easily be at least 200 lbs lighter... but getting there would have probably added a few grand to the cost.

3200-3300 is adequate given its power and torque, and not wildly far off the weight of similar but pricier cars (e.g., various Porsches)

If there was a way to get the Z down to < 3K lbs (without a hack saw) this car would be perfect!

Maybe there'll be some good power upgrades for the < 2700 lb FR-S that will be coming out soon...

cossie1600 · 11-20-2011, 09:24 PM

My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs.

All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkZide

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

because of the difference in claimed weight vs actual measured weight

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600

My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs.

All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

nogoodname · 11-20-2011, 10:01 PM

It's heavy because of all the swag in it.

11-20-2011, 07:13 PM	#38 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations. The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

11-20-2011, 08:26 PM	#42 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	The Z could easily be at least 200 lbs lighter... but getting there would have probably added a few grand to the cost. 3200-3300 is adequate given its power and torque, and not wildly far off the weight of similar but pricier cars (e.g., various Porsches) If there was a way to get the Z down to < 3K lbs (without a hack saw) this car would be perfect! Maybe there'll be some good power upgrades for the < 2700 lb FR-S that will be coming out soon... __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

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11-20-2011, 05:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	In response to the OP, the Z weighs what it weighs because of: size quality materials cool electronic gadgetry safety equipment The real answer, though, is: don't worry about it. The z is pretty freaking light for what it is, 33xx well equipped is nothing to complain about, and the car drives a lot lighter than it is due to well-engineered vehicle dynamics. The Z feels razor sharp on almost any road, and I never really found myself wishing the car was lighter. You lose more weight and your start losing the high speed stability the Z has (unless you add downforce), and since the car is not exactly hurting for torque, I see no reason to fret about the weight. Sure, it would be slightly faster around a track with a couple hundred less pounds, tenths of a second around a track don't mean much for the way most of us drive... I think most of the guys that complain about the Z's weight need to spend more time driving and less time playing Forza. The Z's dynamic is sick, about as good of an experience as you can ask for...and isn't that why we love our cars?

11-20-2011, 07:08 PM	#37 (permalink)
DarkZide Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: TN Posts: 291 Drives: 2010 370z BC M6 Rep Power: 15	and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas. And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is. If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

11-20-2011, 09:24 PM	#43 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs. All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

11-20-2011, 10:01 PM	#45 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1764	It's heavy because of all the swag in it.