370z vs. snow

Whitemtl370 · 11-15-2011, 03:43 AM

Looking back over the past 2 years, the transition from an evo x to a 370z, i cant help but thinking: what was i doing buying a 370? The 370 is a better looking car, however thats where it ends. The versatility, practicality, all weather any-time-any-where performance, ease to modify and drive fast trump the 370. My evo put down 350 + awhp with basic bolt ons, and it did so with impeccable reliability. Since day 1 i beat the hell out of the car, driving it as if i stole it, regular track days. I beat the piss out of it whether it was 90 degrees or 0 degrees for 30, 000 miles with 0 problems, and 350+ awhp almost all of those miles.

The sight of a snow storm would put a silly grin on my face as i looked forward to driving very sideways in the snow with my fellow sti and evo rally cars. Most people dont understand how much fun this car can be until they drive it. Ive owned both, and i miss it. Im not taking away anything from the z, but unless the sun is out, the weather is warm and the road is smooth, it doesnt compare.

sfearl1 · 11-15-2011, 06:31 AM

The Evo is a great car, but I think some cars fit peoples personalities better. Do you consider yourself an Evo/Subie "guy"? I know it sounds silly, but after owning a Z and an Evo, surely you know what I'm talking about.

Do you do more than daily drive your cars? I'm in a similar situation right now, debating on whether I should get rid of my X and go back to a Z, since all I really do is daily drive it (originally bought it because of it's performance capabilities). Plus I have transportation in the winter if roads are bad...

What about build quality, Mitsubishi service, and the overall satisfaction you get owning the car? I owned a 350z prior to my X and loved every minute I had with that thing (quality, service, ownership satisfaction). Sadly, I can't say the same about the X. Sure its fast as hell with only moderate bolt ons, but I don't find myself grinning ear to ear as I walk up to it after work (like i did with the Z). I realize the car is built for performance but damn it feels SO cheap IMO. And the unwanted attention it brings from every rice bucket with a fartcan is annoying. The Z is just so much more mature. I'm almost 30 years old - I feel like I've outgrown the boy racer scene.

Red__Zed · 11-15-2011, 02:49 PM

Do you have pics and dynos of the civic?

kenchan · 11-15-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Do you have pics and dynos of the civic?

are you asking him to post a pict of his butt?

awkwardturtle · 11-15-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Do you have pics and dynos of the civic?

I don't have any pics of my car being dyno'd, but here's the exact same kit + exact same car + exact same supporting mods running about 1-1.5 more psi than I am:

I can throw up pics of my car later, but it's a pretty generic looking civic - slightly lowered on coils, black wheels, etc.

Red__Zed · 11-15-2011, 03:55 PM

You don't have your dyno graph?

kenchan · 11-15-2011, 04:42 PM

do you need a pen to draw up some lines?

awkwardturtle · 11-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

You don't have your dyno graph?

Nay, the last dyno graph I had of my car was on WG pressure at around 370 whp while it was being tuned. No dyno graphs of the current car, sorry bud.

Red__Zed · 11-15-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by awkwardturtle

Nay, the last dyno graph I had of my car was on WG pressure at around 370 whp while it was being tuned. No dyno graphs of the current car, sorry bud.

How was it tuned?

awkwardturtle · 11-15-2011, 04:59 PM

Street tuned. Has a bad rap, but the company that did mine (e-tunez.com) has literally some of the best K series tuners I've ever heard of. He did my NA tune before the turbo, and my shop told me it was the strongest/smoothest FA5s they had driven with my mods to date. I also started with a base calibration that was based off of a full tune on another car with the same kit + supporting mods, although my tuner slightly changed the cam angles and whatnot based off of what he saw. I neglected to ever have it thrown on a dyno once it was making over 400 whp because I'm rocking the stock clutch still, and a few pulls on the dyno have been known to be deadly to the clutch at that point.

My car is fast, I promise you that hah. It's too fast, hence the desire to sell. It's just not very fun having a car that cannot hook up unless it's on the highway. I could probably be beaten by a minivan around town since it's just spin spin spin.

Skeeterbop · 11-15-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by awkwardturtle

Street tuned. Has a bad rap, but the company that did mine (e-tunez.com) has literally some of the best K series tuners I've ever heard of. He did my NA tune before the turbo, and my shop told me it was the strongest/smoothest FA5s they had driven with my mods to date. I also started with a base calibration that was based off of a full tune on another car with the same kit + supporting mods, although my tuner slightly changed the cam angles and whatnot based off of what he saw. I neglected to ever have it thrown on a dyno once it was making over 400 whp because I'm rocking the stock clutch still, and a few pulls on the dyno have been known to be deadly to the clutch at that point.

My car is fast, I promise you that hah. It's too fast, hence the desire to sell. It's just not very fun having a car that cannot hook up unless it's on the highway. I could probably be beaten by a minivan around town since it's just spin spin spin.

Sounds pretty fun, but how is a stock clutch able to hold more than 2x the original power levels? Anyways, i think you would have even more fun with the Z

awkwardturtle · 11-15-2011, 06:16 PM

You know, I ask myself that same question every day

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that my car very rarely sees heavy load on the clutch or trans - I'm usually driving around in town, and in 1st/2nd gear, the only gears where I can really stretch my legs, the tires just spin. The real load isn't put on unless I'm on the highway in 3rd+, and I don't do that too often.

That being said, my car is a ticking timebomb. The clutch will give out eventually. If it lasts another 5k miles, I'll be happy. The tranny is slowing dying on me. I have zero issues with it yet. but it's an inevitable situation. So yes, you're right, I would have more fun in the Z. I've pretty much determined that I'm going to try to find a used 370 w/ sports/touring package if possible, and then pick up a cheaper subie impreza for the winter months.

Skeeterbop · 11-15-2011, 06:19 PM

If i could do it over again, I would have bought an '09 or '10 model instead of buying brand new.

awkwardturtle · 11-15-2011, 06:34 PM

New is always nice. I worry a little about what a previous owner will do in a sports car right before they dump it since there are a lot of pricks out there. I would buy new, but I'd like to invest in a house while the market is low, and every penny counts! I just hope I can find a white one with the options I want. White or bust for me.

11-15-2011, 06:31 AM	#62 (permalink)
sfearl1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,300 Drives: 2013 FBO E85 GTR Rep Power: 18	The Evo is a great car, but I think some cars fit peoples personalities better. Do you consider yourself an Evo/Subie "guy"? I know it sounds silly, but after owning a Z and an Evo, surely you know what I'm talking about. Do you do more than daily drive your cars? I'm in a similar situation right now, debating on whether I should get rid of my X and go back to a Z, since all I really do is daily drive it (originally bought it because of it's performance capabilities). Plus I have transportation in the winter if roads are bad... What about build quality, Mitsubishi service, and the overall satisfaction you get owning the car? I owned a 350z prior to my X and loved every minute I had with that thing (quality, service, ownership satisfaction). Sadly, I can't say the same about the X. Sure its fast as hell with only moderate bolt ons, but I don't find myself grinning ear to ear as I walk up to it after work (like i did with the Z). I realize the car is built for performance but damn it feels SO cheap IMO. And the unwanted attention it brings from every rice bucket with a fartcan is annoying. The Z is just so much more mature. I'm almost 30 years old - I feel like I've outgrown the boy racer scene. Last edited by sfearl1; 11-15-2011 at 08:39 AM.

11-15-2011, 06:19 PM	#73 (permalink)
Skeeterbop A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,440 Drives: 2011 GM 370 base SP Rep Power: 17	If i could do it over again, I would have bought an '09 or '10 model instead of buying brand new. __________________ Srenity: "Yeah no rest needed to spread the love when your 20 that's for sure...."

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11-15-2011, 03:43 AM	#61 (permalink)
Whitemtl370 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Montreal Posts: 36 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z PW M6 Rep Power: 14	Looking back over the past 2 years, the transition from an evo x to a 370z, i cant help but thinking: what was i doing buying a 370? The 370 is a better looking car, however thats where it ends. The versatility, practicality, all weather any-time-any-where performance, ease to modify and drive fast trump the 370. My evo put down 350 + awhp with basic bolt ons, and it did so with impeccable reliability. Since day 1 i beat the hell out of the car, driving it as if i stole it, regular track days. I beat the piss out of it whether it was 90 degrees or 0 degrees for 30, 000 miles with 0 problems, and 350+ awhp almost all of those miles. The sight of a snow storm would put a silly grin on my face as i looked forward to driving very sideways in the snow with my fellow sti and evo rally cars. Most people dont understand how much fun this car can be until they drive it. Ive owned both, and i miss it. Im not taking away anything from the z, but unless the sun is out, the weather is warm and the road is smooth, it doesnt compare.

11-15-2011, 02:49 PM	#63 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Do you have pics and dynos of the civic?

11-15-2011, 03:55 PM	#66 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	You don't have your dyno graph?

11-15-2011, 04:42 PM	#67 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	do you need a pen to draw up some lines?

11-15-2011, 04:59 PM	#70 (permalink)
awkwardturtle Base Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: minnesota Posts: 98 Drives: 07 Civic SI Rep Power: 14	Street tuned. Has a bad rap, but the company that did mine (e-tunez.com) has literally some of the best K series tuners I've ever heard of. He did my NA tune before the turbo, and my shop told me it was the strongest/smoothest FA5s they had driven with my mods to date. I also started with a base calibration that was based off of a full tune on another car with the same kit + supporting mods, although my tuner slightly changed the cam angles and whatnot based off of what he saw. I neglected to ever have it thrown on a dyno once it was making over 400 whp because I'm rocking the stock clutch still, and a few pulls on the dyno have been known to be deadly to the clutch at that point. My car is fast, I promise you that hah. It's too fast, hence the desire to sell. It's just not very fun having a car that cannot hook up unless it's on the highway. I could probably be beaten by a minivan around town since it's just spin spin spin.

11-15-2011, 06:16 PM	#72 (permalink)
awkwardturtle Base Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: minnesota Posts: 98 Drives: 07 Civic SI Rep Power: 14	You know, I ask myself that same question every day I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that my car very rarely sees heavy load on the clutch or trans - I'm usually driving around in town, and in 1st/2nd gear, the only gears where I can really stretch my legs, the tires just spin. The real load isn't put on unless I'm on the highway in 3rd+, and I don't do that too often. That being said, my car is a ticking timebomb. The clutch will give out eventually. If it lasts another 5k miles, I'll be happy. The tranny is slowing dying on me. I have zero issues with it yet. but it's an inevitable situation. So yes, you're right, I would have more fun in the Z. I've pretty much determined that I'm going to try to find a used 370 w/ sports/touring package if possible, and then pick up a cheaper subie impreza for the winter months.

11-15-2011, 06:34 PM	#74 (permalink)
awkwardturtle Base Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: minnesota Posts: 98 Drives: 07 Civic SI Rep Power: 14	New is always nice. I worry a little about what a previous owner will do in a sports car right before they dump it since there are a lot of pricks out there. I would buy new, but I'd like to invest in a house while the market is low, and every penny counts! I just hope I can find a white one with the options I want. White or bust for me.