Wow they are really holding firm on STICKER price in your area? That's ridiculous. I don't care what state the economy is in, I never negotiate sticker price; I negotiate off the invoice price. I can't remember my OTD price but I paid somewhere around 1600 below invoice I believe it was.

Wait...you paid over invoice for a used car?

No my used car I paid 31K OTD
My new car I paid 37.3k OTD. INVOICE ON MY CAR AS EQUPPED was 35.1k. The price I paid on my car was like 34k before ttl. I think the majority of you don't count the price you pay in tax title and license plus whatever services you bought or have. The full OTD was 37.3k otd plus getting the car driven on a flatbed to me. Equalled 37.7. I think I posted 37.9. But I paid 24.9 for my wifes altima. I confuses the last number.

So in reality, on the car I paid 1100 below invoice.

As it sits, they are selling me a 42.5k car for around 39k plus ttl based on my payoff and what I see cars like mine going for private party.

I talked to a dealer here in NC and they double checked on that car for me. They confirmed that my dealer was correctx and when I told them what I told you all earlier, they agreed that my dealer was on the uo and up and doing the best thing they could to get the car ASAP. This dealership has nothing to gain by lying, as my trade is a thousand miles away.

Me too... I've noticed that the leather in my wife's Maxima is so much better that the leather we had in our Pathfinder or other Nissan product out there. It's soft supple and has more texture on it to hide small cracks when they come. I expect that leather to last a little better.

Too soon for me to chime in on the 370Z. However, all my other Nissan products including me 350Z have worn very, very well. That is the main reason I keep coming back to Nissan. Even my Honda didn't wear as good as my Nissan's have. But, that might have been because my Honda was a Civic Si. ????Dunno??? Now the Toyota interior material I had wore really badly after only one year and I dumped it. My wife even said it looked aweful after a year. I cleaned it protected it and did all the right things... It just looked crushed and worn like a 10+ year old car with only 15K on it.

I had a 350Z... as good as it is ... There were a few things that needed tweaking. The 370Z car is that car. About the only thing I could want more of is power. But, it doesn't matter because whatever car I own ... I want more power.

For Nissan it's a power vs cost. For Insurance it's power vs cost. So as far as I am concerned the Z has the right power level for 99% of the drivers out there on the road and I wouldn't want them to have more. For those of us that mod our cars it is a mute point that the Z only has 332HP... We can make that into 500HP and very, very few cars on the road would beat us in a drag race. As it sits very, very few cars beat us in the corners. The Z is one smokin' hot deal. Best keep secret in the automotive world. I absolutely, without reservation love my 370Z !!!

You are correct on power. You always get used to what you have. Power is a poor deal maker for that reason, unless we are talking just a total dog or something. Took be a while to learn that :)

When i test drove the 370z it was base+auto, so i really didn't get use to it like i wanted to. I have a cool salesman though, i floored it and was very impressed with the response of the motor and the transmission shifts in manual mode with the stick felt perfect. I'm use to paddle shifting in a few loaner Acura's my wife has had when i get her car serviced for her, but they didn't feel as interconnected to the vehicle as the auto Nissan created for the 370z does. Once my girl arrives, i can know how Base+sport feels, plus a few mods i feel are necessary (i am more into detailing a perfectly new car than adding horsepower all the time, and Nissan did their homework so well on the 370z that not much unimpressed me). I've learned from the OG's about modding (like Kenchan), i only want a CBE+y-pipe and silicone MAF Tubes and replace rubber hoses with silicone hoses from Z1, that black friday special was something i couldn't pass up, and Z1 Motorsports Passion for Z's is what i look for in an aftermarket company, they're top notch along with the quality and customer service to match.

CBE systems include a new y pipe.

Most do, but not Tanabe (after months of research on CBE's and actually hearing this CBE i had to have it). I appreciate you telling me that just in case i was dealing with a vendor or dealer who was trying to rip me off, hasn't happened of course.:tiphat: