and what exactly would those be? Can you find anywhere where I have complained about anything but power (rectified my opinion of it after Spring Mountain) and the oil-temp (oil-cooler now standard)?

The rest is just nitpicky stuff that ANY car will have in one way or the other.

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Anyway, total letdown today. There is only 1 car like what I want in the nation, and the dealership tried to trade for it but was told it was supposedly already sold:

Gun Metallic
2012
6M
NAV
Sport
Touring
Black interior

= Unobtainium

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Yes, an R8 would be awesome, but a house would be nicer...same for the ZR1 except it's just a Z06 with a different drive-line, and I want something a bit "nicer" inside--where I spend all my time. This is a preference move based on a desire to increase the amount I throw in savings/other hobbies each month.

Forgive me if this has been answered but -- why don't you order one?

The dealership is trying to find one "in the process" already or something like that. If they cannot, they are going to see how long it would take to have one built. From what I understand, Nissan is not like Ford or GM, sometimes stuff takes...FOREVER. I'm a bit fuzzy on it myself.

I don't know how far your dealer is willing to go for your Z but here.
2012 Nissan 370Z Touring, $41,370 - Cars.com

As far as what have you said. I'm not diggin into the archives to prove anything. N I'm not saying that as an insult. I just recall some convo's where my statement is correct. But even more than that. You are die hard fan of corvette performance. I think your long term assessment of our cars will be a valueable asset in the long run. What you said about the Z positive or negative isn't affecting or angering me. I'm just thinking you will be an interesting owner considering what you currently drive and what your many criticisms have been.
I do know you have also praised the car for price to performance and build quality. I'm not taking away what you admire at the least. But you have been very flip floppy as far as your overall assessment of the Z as a performance car.

Here's another right next door. They just want to sell you what they have. Gun metallic was the number one selling color last year. I own one. It was the only hot color available. I was looking for Mblue, BC or GM. I settled for last. GM is gorgeous though for a grey. The nicest grey I ever seen aside from 40th graphite.

2012 Nissan 370Z Touring, $41,370 - Cars.com

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...5&aff=national

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...5&aff=national


And there's a 2011 right by me for discount. You can always get your own oil cooler.

That car is not what I want. It has no NAV system. There was only ONE car in the USA like what I wanted. That dealer says "it's sold". I'll just have to be patient.

I flip-flopped on the power aspect. The rest of my line has been that it's a very buttoned down little coupe with great looks and a $75K interior in a $40K priced vehicle. The oil-cooler fixed my other concern, and the brakes, well, I will cross that bridge if I get there. I doubt that, though.

I agree, I am interested to know how I feel in a year once I get it, too. However, I will love the extra $500/mo or so from less note/insurance.

I just realize that since I don't track my Z06, I'm not getting what I payed for. With the 370Z, that interior is going to enhance ownership experience a lot, vs. the Z06. The only time I will miss the Z06 is when power is an issue.

Or if someone calls it a girly-car. Then I will have a bad time and probably not eat my supper. You will hear about it when I get home and post up. :roflpuke2:

It would then not be under warranty, no?

Also, NONE of these cars have NAV. If you find one like I want, PLEASE! link it, though. I will forward it to my dealer and attempt a dealer trade ASAP. They searched Nissan USA's dealer database and found only 1 like I wanted, as mentioned.

I know you may be aggravated by me being so picky, but it's my work/money paying for it, and if I am trading a car I selected feature by feature and watched them build, I'm going to trade it on EXACTLY what I want. This may or may not seem petty to you.

(If the car is optioned like I want, MSRP should be a touch over $42K)

Oh u want nav. Ok you're not going to find nav till the spring. Lol. They always trade off to make you pay MSRP. Then in the spring they make it impossible to buy sport pkg's. You will need to order your car. They do this on purpose dude.

That sucks. The dealer is going into the ordering setup to see if there is something similar headed in that he can "tweak" rather than do a ground-up order.

I have no clue what this is about, but that is how it was explained to me.

The fact that 1 existed gives me hope, though.

Why not install an aftermarket nav? It would be a lot nicer.

On the flip side... If you must have the oem then I'm sure a mechanic could install it for you.

I don't feel like I should pay $40K for something just to turn around and have someone splicing wires on it. I would rather wait until I can get EXACTLY what I want rather than GET IT NOW and have to tweak it to get what I want.

I had a car that was stripped to the unibody and built. I don't ever want that again. No part of it. I am strictly OEM+TINT+Wrap now.

Stock nav is fantastic. You'll never get the same integration with aftermarket.

A lot of the times oem units will have all the plugs already there. All you/dealer will need to do is plug in the unit. Just have the dealer install it prior to pick up and then it will be just the same as if it came off the assemble line.

I can't confirm this because I don't have the nav unit to look at. ... I'm just throwing you an idea to speed everything up.

That's what i did, I ordered mine. I was told that my combo was hard to find because of the color i chose and the options. If you've seen my posts you'll know how long i've been waiting, but Nissan has made sure i have an estimate of when the process will start and finish. Also, the Z is a low volume production car for Nissan just like the GT-R (compared to Altima,Maxima, more practical cars in Nissan's line), plus the recession has forced a lot of used Z's to stay put on the dealership lots for a while, some 2010's are just now being titled. The dealership i ordered mine from was trying to get me to get a 2011, they have 11, 2009-2011, Z's in their inventory the last time i checked their inventory at Auto Trader. I wanted a 2012 and that's what i ordered, i've never been happier with a car purchase, waiting happily for my girl to arrive.

I will ask about just ordering when I'm back in town. Out of state for a week.