Response from Nissan about Oil Cooler

Skeeterbop · 10-22-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

I live in NJ so we dont see temps quite as high as the south but it gets darn hot. It was in the high 90s for weeks this past summer. During that time I pushed my Z many times on the backroads. I never even came close to limp mode. I personally think its pretty hard to get it into limp mode on the street unless you are driving like a total azzhat. I can see how indexes of 130 could lead to it though I suppose.

Driving spiritedly on the backroads of central texas, Southern Appalachians, western New Mexico/east Arizona, and now west Texas; I have never reached limp mode. I've come close, but I've never had any need to slow down for it to cool off. I just change up a gear and keep going, problem solved.

Nikkolai · 10-22-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeeterbop

Driving spiritedly on the backroads of central texas, Southern Appalachians, western New Mexico/east Arizona, and now west Texas; I have never reached limp mode. I've come close, but I've never had any need to slow down for it to cool off. I just change up a gear and keep going, problem solved.

Same here. I took my car to El Paso in the summer and while in DFW with record heat waves, no limp mode. Since I am going to track mine, I installed an oil cooler myself. Very easy.

Cmike2780 · 10-22-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I wonder if Infiniti will replace my '02 G20's bose sound system with a NAV unit...

'bout time you showed up.

Red__Zed · 10-23-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Like I said. I'm not worried about it for myself. I'm going FI and the stock cooler in new york laymans terms is "GAHBIDGE"! Lol. BUT, I. Beg to differ on how this car is Sold. Here in Dallas, many dealers immediately throw out its a "Niché true sports car" and immediately throw out there MSRP as the God amount. You have to know how to hustle in Tx and be willing to walk away from many a lot to get a fair deal on a Z. I do agree the "reality" we get a lot of guys that buy this dedicated sports car and cry like babies about road noise and wanting a better way to open the trunk in spite of the fact that its a SPORTS CAR. But anyway, I feel instead of asking for heated mirrors or powered mirrors and all that crap. For the type of car it is, performance enhancers are what the changes should be. And I don't mean going V8, getting turbos for a $2k jump in price or some of the other unrealistic ideas people have. I mean fixing basic performance flaws, like oil consumption and limp mode. Or brake cooling. It doesn't look good when regular cars go on a track and outperform in durability against a Z.
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I mean, I stand with you there. I was very frustrated with how Nissan handled the oil cooler issue, and refusing to offer a warrantied version for previous owners is fairly weak--though not unexpected.

The dealer calling it a sports car is on them, not Nissan. Nissan doesn't really market the car as a sports car, and any enthusiasts can readily look at the car and see that it is not geared at the hardcore crowd. It's a blast of a car to drive, but it's definitely not a stripped down sports car. I don't think anyone bought the car expecting it to be either.

Of course, the oil cooler issue was more than that...since you get the cooler on cars like the maxima....but that's for another thread.

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And no offense Zed its a lot easier for you to dismiss the issue as a past issue when your main priority is the Mustang now. I'm not saying that your Z love isn't there. I'm just saying this issue is less real for you now that you don't have to deal with it.

That's true...but I left the car partly because of how real that issue (amongst others) was. I know how it goes, and Nissan's back-and-forth on issue handling really frustrated me. It's been funny to me to see how certain companies that have a bad rep on warranty issues actually turn out to be really good, whereas others turned out to be much worse than expected.

When I had my Z, it was re-painted several times under warranty. After the first re-paint, Nissan refused to pay for the re-install of a clear bra, and the fight dragged out for around a month....probably wasn't worth my time.

On the second re-paint, they determined that because the orange peel was happening on non-factory paint (dealer re-painted the car), they were not liable

Then, when the car's showed significant rust underneath with only summer driving, it took quite a while to get them to make that right.

On the other hand, they did take care of several of the major issues I had with little complaint...just saying, it's not really new to anyone what kind of company Nissan is when it comes to warranty repairs. You knew going in that they can be a little sheisty, especially when it comes to the oil cooler.

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Like I said, me personally. I don't need there crappy cooler. But its a matter of principle. Don't play the part be the part. Or just don't produce the car. I can care less about a trunk release or extra cupholders or whatever BS feature garbage there is.
And I'm not saying there aren't things I wouldn't want improved. But the oil cooler is the ONLY thing aside from brake cooling that I can see Nissan AT LEAST OFFERING.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY TELL CONSUMERS THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR. Bill them, I don't care... offer it though as a token of standing by your product

See above for comments on Nissan. They've long said it's not a problem, and strictly speaking, they are correct.

Do I think they should offer a warrantied cooler? Of course.

Do I think they can from a financial standpoint? No. It is not just the cost of the cooler/labor (which I'd assume the owner would cover) but an adjustment would be required on the cars already sold and revenue already recognized...not really practical.

I don't understand dinging that cooler as crap though. It should be more than sufficient for anyone's use in anything resembling a stock form. I think that with an upgraded radiator, it will outperform an aircooled system, since you are dealing with less blocked airflow.

ImportConvert · 10-23-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

'bout time you showed up.

Just trying to provoke you into contributing something meaningful

Seriously though, this thread was a troll move from the get-go. Asking for retro-active upgrades. Ford didn't put Coyote's in 2010 mustang GT's, GM didn't put LS3's in 2007 Corvettes, and Nissan isn't going to put a 2012 cooling system in a 2011 370Z. I don't see the point of even asking.

Red__Zed · 10-23-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Just trying to provoke you into contributing something meaningful

Seriously though, this thread was a troll move from the get-go. Asking for retro-active upgrades. Ford didn't put Coyote's in 2010 mustang GT's, GM didn't put LS3's in 2007 Corvettes, and Nissan isn't going to put a 2012 cooling system in a 2011 370Z. I don't see the point of even asking.

People are looking for a warrantied option and willing to pay for it....not quite the same.

ImportConvert · 10-23-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

People are looking for a warrantied option and willing to pay for it....not quite the same.

Warranty on that will probably have a lot to do with individual dealership, and how the present to Nissan if something happens after the install.

Cmike2780 · 10-23-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

People are looking for a warrantied option and willing to pay for it....not quite the same.

I don't need a handout, I just don't want Nissan to screw me over if I get one installed.

whoady4shoady · 10-24-2011, 07:10 AM

for all those who say the Z isnt pushed as a track car, what about the NISMO?

Bonzo · 10-24-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by steveg78

Hmm. How long you been waiting? I don't think the lack of oil cooler is make or break issue with the purchase of a Z. I don't have oil temp issues but if I did, adding an aftermarket oil cooler isn't a big deal.

Since the summer of 2009. But it was not because of the oil cooler issue, it was purely financial in nature. I had no clue about the oil cooler being included for 2012 until last week. I ordered my car back in August. For me this waiting ended up being pure luck, at least in oil cooler terms.

cossie1600 · 10-24-2011, 10:29 AM

370Z were also $2000+ cheaper a few years ago, more than enough to offset the oil cooler.

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whoady4shoady A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,088 Drives: 09 Silver Nismo Rep Power: 18	for all those who say the Z isnt pushed as a track car, what about the NISMO?

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	370Z were also $2000+ cheaper a few years ago, more than enough to offset the oil cooler.