2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I'm thinking its cause you will be passing your coolant which is suppose to be cooling your engine threw a cooler that has 280 degree oil flowing in it.

pretty much this. you basically are gonna stop cooling your engine when the oil temps get that high.

serious limp mode doesn't kick in currently til 300. that could be catastrophic.

Guard Dad · 10-18-2011, 07:51 PM

Looking forward to seeing someone do a DIY retrofit.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad

Looking forward to seeing someone do a DIY retrofit.

will be interesting to see if:
A: nissan will sell it without a 2012 VIN
B: a different radiator arrangement will be needed

semtex · 10-18-2011, 08:17 PM

If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument.

they saved about $30 a car by not including it

b1adesofcha0s · 10-18-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

they saved about $30 a car by not including it

That $30 would have put the Z out of my price range........

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

That $30 would have put the Z out of my price range........

to be fair, to keep with their margin call, it would have increased the price by more than $100

11Thumper · 10-18-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by red__zed

to be fair, to keep with their margin call, it would have increased the price by more than $100

70% gpm?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 11Thumper

70% gpm?

their g&a is pretty heavily loaded...i think they load at like 40%

mjg · 10-18-2011, 09:06 PM

Will these use standard Nissan style oil filters or a new part?

ah nevermind -- i checked.

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
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The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems.... Doesn't cause a problem in a Z06, why would a Nissan be different?
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On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler. Agree 100%!
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It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.
+1, I might have bought one.

Noticed several members that have already picked up 2012 models, but we still have no cooler details--anyone able to snap pics yet?

Looks like Nissan has gone with an oil to water cooler tapped of the current system.

Edit: page 5 for pics, reproduced here

Credit '10anomaly for the pic

Yay!

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

someone with an air cooled oil cooler mentioned something like his oil temp was steady at 180F on the street.

i'd like to be in 220 range (100C or higher) to rid moisture...

You don't need to be above 100C to rid moisture from the oil. Back when the Z06 had air/oil coolers, there was never any UOA's that showed too water in the oil that I recall anyone posting. They ran 130-160* normally.

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I'm thinking its cause you will be passing your coolant which is suppose to be cooling your engine threw a cooler that has 280 degree oil flowing in it.

I think you guys will see coolant temps and oil temps that are MUCH more stable than you are used to. In my car, the oil and coolant are usually within 2-4* just cruising. When you thrash on it, oil temps will rise above coolant temps by a good margin. When you sit in traffic, coolant temps rise above oil temps.

However, it is a lot more stable, and I LOVE the fact that the liquids sloshing through my heads are of much more similar temperature, etc. It just seems better to me.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:39 PM

import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....

Somehow I just glossed over that one. That is a VERY important caveat. What is the engine coolant system like?

PS. I would ASSUME (I know...) that Nissan tested this, to make sure it would actually do most of what people seem to hope it will?

10-18-2011, 08:17 PM	#109 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	If something this cheap and simple really does work, it almost makes Nissan even more of a douche for not equipping 370Zs with this from the get go. I remember back in 2009 when a certain member of this forum who also works for Nissan defended his employer on the issue, telling us all how equipping the Z with an oil cooler would significantly raise cost, etc. Yeah, so much for that argument. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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10-18-2011, 09:39 PM	#119 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	import, the reason it would be a problem in the Z would be the fact that the car only holds 5 qts of oil....