2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:02 AM

So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
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The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....
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On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler.
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It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.

Looks like Nissan has gone with an oil to water cooler tapped of the current system.

Edit: page 5 for pics, reproduced here

wstar · 10-18-2011, 08:18 AM

Oh, did they add a factory-standard oil cooler for 2012? That will be interesting.

2011 Nismo#91 · 10-18-2011, 08:34 AM

I was under the impression there were no changes for the 2012 model? Where did they say an oil cooler is standard now?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

I was under the impression there were no changes for the 2012 model? Where did they say an oil cooler is standard now?

2012 Pricing Released!!!

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 08:38 AM

2012 Model Will Have OIl Cooler

wstar · 10-18-2011, 08:43 AM

Hmm, will be interesting to see how the retrofit options work out for the factory oil:water and brake cooling ducts.

semtex · 10-18-2011, 09:15 AM

Anyone have their hands on a 2012 Owner's Manual? I'd like to see the listed oil capacity compared with previous years. That would give us an idea of whether or not there's an oil cooler and what its capacity is.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

Hmm, will be interesting to see how the retrofit options work out for the factory oil:water and brake cooling ducts.

That post was a bel air

Mt Tam I am · 10-18-2011, 09:26 AM

I am going for a "service engine soon" * light today. I'll look for 2012's.

* left bank something, and another #

2011 Nismo#91 · 10-18-2011, 09:31 AM

http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam...ner-manual.pdf

5 1/8qt w/filter change

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam...ner-manual.pdf

5 1/8qt w/filter change

If that's true, it probably means air to water....hmmmm

m4a1mustang · 10-18-2011, 09:48 AM

Yeah that is what it looks like if the capacity is the same. Hmmmm

semtex · 10-18-2011, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

If that's true, it probably means air to water....hmmmm

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah that is what it looks like if the capacity is the same. Hmmmm

Why am I not surprised?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah that is what it looks like if the capacity is the same. Hmmmm

Or they didn't update the manual...

Nice thing about a/w is easy retrofit is likely.

m4a1mustang · 10-18-2011, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Or they didn't update the manual...

Nice thing about a/w is easy retrofit is likely.

10-18-2011, 08:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers? So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts. * The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems.... * On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler. * It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone. Looks like Nissan has gone with an oil to water cooler tapped of the current system. Edit: page 5 for pics, reproduced here Last edited by Red__Zed; 11-19-2011 at 01:01 AM.

10-18-2011, 08:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
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semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Anyone have their hands on a 2012 Owner's Manual? I'd like to see the listed oil capacity compared with previous years. That would give us an idea of whether or not there's an oil cooler and what its capacity is. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,400 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40569	I was under the impression there were no changes for the 2012 model? Where did they say an oil cooler is standard now?

10-18-2011, 08:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	2012 Model Will Have OIl Cooler

10-18-2011, 09:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,400 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40569	http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam...ner-manual.pdf 5 1/8qt w/filter change

10-18-2011, 09:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
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