2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers?

Pharmacist

So where do these enigmatic nanoparticles fit into all of this? I was under the impression that nissan's oil is unique due to those nanoparticles and not the esters since there are already several brands of synthetic ester oils on the market.

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Guard Dad

So is it reasonable to assume that Red Line Synthetic is an appropriate alternative to Nissan Ester Oil?

ClevelandCWRU

I sent you a PM saying it would take some time for me to find. Yes, it was a break through...6-7 years ago!

I also told you how to search if you truly do have access to the resources to LEGALLY read these.

Clearly this has become personal for you, you just want to prove me wrong. Like I said, I have no personal stake in this, not my research. And if the 3-4 articles haven't begun to convince you of anything, no number of publications will convince you either. Doesn't make me inclined to take my valuable time dig through my records and locate them for that kind of person.

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^ you are posting (mis) information with no source. Burden is on you to source, not me to disprove.

ClevelandCWRU

if four articles detailing the effects of the ester compound in conjunction with the h free dlc don't at least pull back the curtain for you, reading 20, 40, even 100 arctiles telling you the same results won't do anything either.

This isn't a pissing contest. A person either understands the fundamentals behind the science or doesn't. From there its a matter of either agreeing or disagreeing with the findings.

Cool off buddy, its just science

Red__Zed

Or determining that the test method wasn't arranged to make a notable determination (which anyone in other engineering discipline can recognize). Maybe mech focuses less on that stuff....I dunno.

The easiest way to find if research is significant is checking for follow up. I don't see much.

Streetlife

I see in the description that the 2012's suspension is stated to be refined, this has led me to think the 2012 370Z will include everything the 2011 European GT Edition has received including the oil cooler. I hope they improved the paint quality too. I'm hoping they improved the paint quality, even though i'm a detailing fanatic i still wouldn't mind a better quality factory paint, which shouldn't be something i have to ask for. I'm getting a clearbra as soon as i'm done detailing her once i take delivery, but still a durable paint job should be included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OJkbEZMDFY

Davey

Brake ducting? Factory oil cooler? Refined suspension?

Why am I getting the feeling that I should have kept my 350Z for another year...

I think I'm going to just get a moped or something.

onzedge

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wstar

We all get science, none of us are morons here, and quite a few of us have engineering and scientific backgrounds. The reason he's getting miffed is because you're out here touting your credentials as giving you some magic understanding that mere mortals cannot hope to achieve about this subject.

If there's a reason that running Nissan's specific ester oil blend is better for the friction properties of the VVEL heads than other quality synthetic ester-blend lubricants, we'd love to hear about it. Nissan's basic science work that we've seen in the PDFs combined with available data from oil mfgs don't even begin to answer that question in a rigorous manner, in either direction. Empirically though, nobody's gone and shown a dyno power dropoff from switching off of Nissan Ester either.

To expound on the science part: what they show in the paper is that (a) their nifty H-free DLC does better than two other types of surface material regardless of the oil type used (b) their PAO + ester blend does better than regular oil regardless of the surface type, and (c) (DUH) the best results in the test come from combining the two best-tested: their PAO + ester and their H-free DLC.

What the paper does not at all address for our pragmatic needs: (1) Is their PAO + 1% glycerol mono-oleate the *only* variety of engine lubricant that can reach frictions levels this low or lower in combination with their H-free DLC? (2) More specifically, was it really exactly 1% glycerol mono-oleate that works, or do other percentages of other similar esters work? (3) Is glycerol mono-oleate, or another equal-performing ester in tests with H-free DLC, a commonly used ester in ester-blended oils from other manufacturers?

You get the idea. Unless Nissan and/or other oil manufacturers want to take their science (and engineering) reporting to the next level and answer the Practical Questions That Matter To Us, we have to rely on empirical data from running these engines in the real world with various oils, which so far does not fall in favor of Nissan Ester Oil.

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Red__Zed

Bingo. Tons of bright, technical people on here.
No need to be condescending to the group....

gbrettin

I'm going to cut in and throw a question out there....

Would it be good to use a air cooled and water cooled system together? The reason I say this is because water cooled portion will bring the temp up quickly and regulate the temp. The air cooled system would be an additional radiator for cooling.

Am I totally off base here?

Cmike2780

Why over complicate matters. Depending on your driving habits, you don't necessarily "need" either one for street use. The track or track like conditions has already proven the air cooled units to be effective depending on the unit and purpose. Some are in fact too effective, in which case a thermal plate is required to prevent over cooling. Using both is kind of like using steamroller to hammer in a nail.

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